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Lenin actually allowed private property.
During the reforms on the economy because of the civil war
Nope, he allowed it after the civil war.
Stalin was the one who revoked it, and then it ironically came back very soon after his death.
During another rise of economical reformism
@Zircuits Lenin wasn't the reformer, he was the founder.
He allowed privatization under communism, and stalin was the only one who actually ended it.... temporarily.
One of many criticisms of Lenin is his reforms on the economy, but some socialists defended it because of the civil war
@Zircuits What did I say earlier?
He allowed it to stay after the war.
It only ended under stalin.
So it was ended, just not under lenin
Then it came back.
Hell, collectivization lasted shorter than capitalization by almost 100 years.
It led to the fall of the USSR and a rise in poverty
Poverty and starvation was it's worse under stalin actually.
But to be fair, that can be attributed to WW2...... for the most part.
Starvation can also be explained by the massive industrialization effort
Isn't that a reckless maneouver though? Europe managed to do it just fine without the mass starvation.....
Russia was a very backwards country at this time
Hell, it should have been much easier to do at that time, since technology had advanced by 40 years.
@ᵈˢʳ✪ But none so severe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union#Pre-1900_droughts_and_famines Russia has always had this problem, though
@ᵈˢʳ✪ True, but it only became worse under communism.
The soviet tried to solve it, but while undergoing a rapid industrialisation process
Of course they would have worsened
@ᵈˢʳ✪ And look at how it turned out.
Look at the Great Leap Forward in the PRC
are you sure it worsened?
After a civil war and a push for industrialization which led them to become one of the most powerful countries
@Zircuits Not really, they were inferior in everyway to the west, their only advantage was numbers and territory.
I think ww2 had a greater effect, though @Deleted User
I think we’re forgetting who did most of the fighting
Germany.
Kek
also the space race and the nuclear arms race
@ᵈˢʳ✪ That wasn't a joke.
@Zircuits We are talking about the 1920s.
Oh