Message from @vespertilionineVigilante

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2019-06-29 07:19:03 UTC  

imagine not understanding what Synagogue of Satan implies
Zollern the chad with a intellect superiour to the gay Jew smashes em' with facts and logic.

2019-06-29 23:24:13 UTC  

Universal healthcare is certainly sustainable. Most countries do it with better success than the healthcare system we currently have

2019-06-29 23:25:27 UTC  

The business model of the insurance industry is to collect as much money as possible and pay out as little as it can. That is not conducive to peoples' health when your insurer makes their money by not helping you

2019-06-30 02:40:38 UTC  

Some countries that have tried universal healthcare have been moving towards privatization as of recently. Even the countries that have implemented government healthcare most successfully offer it alongside the private option e.g. Switzerland, Denmark. Even then, the private options remain very popular in those countries. I don't think the problems with healthcare in America are inherent to the privatized nature of our healthcare. Many of the expenses in our healthcare system derive from red-tape regulations and masses of paperwork. This problem will likely be alleviated by AI programs in the future. They also come from a lack of competitiveness in the industry. We can make policies that force hospitals to be more transparent about their prices and we can promote competition in the insurance industry by promoting co-op health insurance plans as a competitor to the traditional insurance companies. Finally, I believe we make it too difficult for foreign medical workers to be able to practice medicine here. Increasing the supply of medical workers could also help decrease healthcare costs. None of these problems are likely to be solved by universal healthcare. Meanwhile, we would lose the healthcare system that is credited with a very large amount of modern medical breakthroughs. While our healthcare system is definitely flawed in many ways, I don't believe making it universal is the solution to those problems. If one wishes to argue for universal healthcare, they will have to explain how it would keep the benefits of private healthcare, how it would solve the problems with our current system, how it would avoid the pitfalls many other countries have run into in their implementations of universal healthcare, why healthcare should be free even despite the presence of scarcity in that market, and why it should break the current trend of increased practicability being brought about by decentralization rather than centralization.

2019-07-03 23:47:31 UTC  

Only tall people should have human rights.

2019-07-04 03:06:42 UTC  

private healthcare in those countries must compete with public healthcare, which is why costs are so low. There are also heavy regulations and standards set by the government in those countries, like price caps on drugs. Given the infrastructure of american healthcare it is impossible to head to universal healthcare overnight.

2019-07-04 03:09:11 UTC  

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2019-07-04 06:50:18 UTC  

Everyone pays into public healthcare through taxes, so that would present unfair competition. Price caps may provide short term benefits for consumers, but they have negative long term effects on medical research and development funding. Market distortion as a result of price capping has led to a decrease in revenue of $18-27 billion per year for all medical providers in OECD countries. As a result, global medical research and development loses $5-8 billion per year, which causes 3-4 fewer new molecular entities (NMEs) to be invented per year. The estimated value of those NMEs' benefit to medical consumers is estimated at $4.9-7.5 billion. In short, unless price capping is being used to bring stability to a market (e.g. agriculture), distorting the market leads to adverse long term effects

2019-07-04 06:51:06 UTC  

Source:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583448865881980929/596231499175559169/price-controls-pharmaceuticals-pros-BH-1-30-09.pdf

2019-07-04 13:28:05 UTC  

Present unfair competition how? In between public and private healthcare?

2019-07-04 13:29:46 UTC  

Short term harm to the consumer is much more than that when you can't afford to go to the doctor when you feel ill

2019-07-04 13:32:03 UTC  

Which is long term as people live healthier, more productive lives

2019-07-04 13:35:39 UTC  

There is a reason that the infant mortality rate is so high in the us

2019-07-04 20:07:14 UTC  

Private healthcare companies compete for the customers' money. If the public option was funded by taxes, then it wouldn't even have to compete in that regard.
Understood. As I said earlier, I believe decreasing the price of healthcare is important and that there are better ways to do so than price capping
A large part of the reason why the infant mortality rate is so high in the US is because the US has a broader definition of when a baby is "born". In Europe, a < 1 lb baby at 21 weeks' gestation is not considered born and is therefore not included in the infant mortality statistics. In the US, that baby would be considered born and would be included in the infant mortality statistics

2019-07-04 23:29:41 UTC  

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2019-07-04 23:29:48 UTC  

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2019-07-04 23:30:23 UTC  

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2019-07-04 23:31:04 UTC  

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2019-07-04 23:34:49 UTC  

@Deleted User man those sure are some nice charts

2019-07-04 23:34:54 UTC  

whats the point though

2019-07-05 02:28:16 UTC  

The point is that America is (ostensibly) not great

2019-07-05 11:05:38 UTC  

Hey guys I need a favour if you could all vote fascist in this poll I would really appreciate it.

2019-07-05 11:06:10 UTC  

Iā€™m trying to prove a point to some gender fluid Green Party member

2019-07-05 11:23:02 UTC  

You're trying to prove a point by rigging a vote? @Deleted User

2019-07-05 11:23:06 UTC  

I like it

2019-07-05 12:19:21 UTC  

I appreciate the support

2019-07-05 16:49:31 UTC  

I'm doing my part šŸ‘Œ

2019-07-05 17:50:58 UTC  

voted socialist šŸ˜Ž

2019-07-05 18:31:05 UTC  

what the frick not epic

2019-07-05 18:31:11 UTC  

<:AngryJones:575369003619581953>

2019-07-05 18:49:16 UTC  

Italian fascism is a meme

2019-07-05 20:31:29 UTC  

where's centrism? nowhere

2019-07-05 20:31:59 UTC  

^

2019-07-05 20:32:21 UTC  

too few options

2019-07-05 20:32:24 UTC  

smh

2019-07-05 21:07:09 UTC  

@Mairon You don't mind if I post a couple more polls here in the future do you?

2019-07-05 21:13:12 UTC  

He's not staff

2019-07-05 22:55:17 UTC  

But can I?

2019-07-05 23:08:53 UTC  

@Deleted User what's the point you're trying to make

2019-07-05 23:14:26 UTC  

fascists are lame