That's just being anti social

no, its not, i just prefer when people know what the fuck they are doing instead of “oh umming” forever about what they SHOULD do.

Also leaders aren't natural for humans

So your objection to statelessness is that you believe there must be bodies of armed men to represent society?

@☭ Anon ☭ yes.

People have been living in horde societies centuries before any notion of a hierarchy

or else other bodies of armed men will do it for you.

Without any alpha males or such

@Milorad and out of that came ordered heirarchies.

i wonder why.

its almost like they work.

It's because of farming and debt

The state is a manifestation of class antagonisms. There will be no need for such if class dissolves

After people settled families in a horde that couldn't provide for themselves were made into debt and eventually slaves

class antagonisms are a good thing.

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Why must there be an antagonistic relationship between a ruling and working class

because the ruling class SHOULD fear the working class.

different individuals have drives for material power and will go to different lengths to exert it

and the working class should serve the ruling class.

so no matter the system there will be a more material minded part of society that wields more worldly influence

small groups of people and individuals make better decisions than everyone deciding together. everyone together, however, is what makes a movement a movement and not a ronin.

@nemurin absolutely.

movements are just hijacking other peoples wills tbh and are the opposite of philosophy

@nemurin which is why its important to concentrate on a single individual.

leaders.

why trust the individual man when you could instead lead people generally to proper thought systemically

Individuals are the product of society, and they accomplish nothing alone

because you cant.

what do you mean, that is the thrust of all recent philosophy even despite counter-enlightenemnt sentiment

because such an idea already lends itself to corruption.

thats sort of the irony of it.

“people are corrupt, we should teach them how to not be corrupt.”

if a person rightly regards themselves as a self aware cog in a determined machine and then articulates how their self is a structure of language

this doesnt work when you cant ensure with absolute certainty that the meathod by which you teach people isnt itself corrupt.

they will no longer be under the foibles of dreamers manipulating them into patterns for their amusement

@nemurin and those individuals will find a way to rule themselves. as they should.

but not everyone is like that.

there is no un-corrupt movement nor even all encompassing good just a set of preferences in the mortal coil

and to help people reach a peacable environment for life in the most peaceful way possible should be the aim

which varies to group and individual broadly