the question is there some sort of flexed muscle or nerve that directs your will moment to moment

Determinism makes the claim that all actions are caused by beliefs, desires, and temperaments. The problem comes when one's beliefs and desires, for example, come into conflict. Each person must choose their paradigm of thought to break this contradiction. It's in this process that people have free will.

and im partial to the theory that the subconcious makes your decisions ultimately, but it is trained by the concious language and models of the mind

some people define free will more broadly. as though we have some cosmic power to plick at the strings of fate ourselves.

as much as we may wish we did, we dont.

more mystically more like

and personally, i dont wish we did.

Is your argument that free will exists as the ability to reach new conclusions when presented with new information? If so, that can be explained by a slew of other processes @vespertilionineVigilante

well insofar as the information that can be generated and interpreted is inexhaustible it allows freedom enough

a person would need infinite time to exhaust all arrangements of thought and that no one has

and empiricism will never yield a causuality of thought only a physical description

so we are ostensibly free enough to choose

Henlo retards

free will in the way we describe it is the ability to act without the constraint of fate or determination.

in this sense, i do not beleive free will exists.

well any thing in linear time is determined

Hmm

however, free will does not necessarily have to be this definition.

if your will is perfectly alligned with fate,

there is no issue.

well yes there is often a confusion by the ability to make choices with a will, and complete freedom from causality which is silly

and, look at that, by nature of how our universe works

it is.

funny

well everyone is fated in a sense, as there will be a time at which our activity terminates and then it could be described in exact scientific detail and no matter what we choose that is true

@☭ Anon ☭ Not really, no. I'm willing to concede most of the precepts of determinism, including the idea that one can reach new conclusions deterministically. However, I don't see a way out of the contradiction brought about when beliefs, desires, and/or temperaments conflict with each other.

our desires are shaped by biology and our exposure to external stimuli

@vespertilionineVigilante I would say that is simply a lack of self comprehension no? As the beliefs fight they are synthesized into a amalgam of sorts

if you were sufficiently clever, and could look in someones head such a conflict could be graphed and modeled at all points i think

For example, suppose I am deliberating over whether or not to eat a bowl of ice cream. I feel like having the ice cream (temperament), but I also believe that resisting it will lead to a more desirable outcome in the future (desire). How do I make this decision? My point is that comparing temperaments to desires in this case would be like comparing apples to oranges unless I adopt a paradigm of thought that states that one is categorically superior to another.

Your subconcious assigns utility values and bellies you out of indecision based off of your accumulated preferences, which are in turn based off your experiences and internal thoughts

but it is closer to the distilling of a complex situation to a gut animal reaction

than some enlightened choice

But why make decisions according to utility at all?
I'll put it another way: Why operate by beliefs as opposed to desires and temperaments? It can't be reduced to a belief that operating by beliefs is better since that would be begging the question. It can't be reduced to either of the other two either because then we would be operating by desires or temperaments and the same circular logic would occur (desiring to operate by desire & feeling like operating by temperaments). None of these three fundamental causes can explain why I chose one over the other. What can?

Your gut animal faculties and genetics with only minor consideration to things like beliefs, desires and temperaments which are ultimately just structures of language in your head you've assigned various values. The freedom we have is ultimately only to construct an instruction manual for our instinctive stove-touching bodies to face the world and we don't comprehend the ultimate moment a decision is made . However I do think the mind in its sanctuary is free enough to tune and twist the language which is important to it, and thus defines behavior outside of the basic level.

but overall the same animal body which ran from predators and associated smells and sounds with danger or gives you social warnings is what drives you moment to moment

Can we take some time to appreciate

That

Someone made a Dodo-Tyrannosaurus Rex hybrid