i beleive that free will and determinism are not incompatable.

in fact one is needed for the other

how can you make decisions if your environment is not ordered and determined

if your decision just flew away in some non linear time soup then it could be hardly called will at all

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will is free BECAUSE its determined.

man can do what he will.

but we do not will what we will.

it isn't so clean i think

willing what we will is up to the universe, and thus is constrained and defined.

That makes no sense to me. How is it “free” if the output is result of processes outside of an individuals control.

but this is not free will.

free will is the ability to do what we will.

and we can.

existence is out of your control, its a false dilemma

the question is there some sort of flexed muscle or nerve that directs your will moment to moment

Determinism makes the claim that all actions are caused by beliefs, desires, and temperaments. The problem comes when one's beliefs and desires, for example, come into conflict. Each person must choose their paradigm of thought to break this contradiction. It's in this process that people have free will.

and im partial to the theory that the subconcious makes your decisions ultimately, but it is trained by the concious language and models of the mind

some people define free will more broadly. as though we have some cosmic power to plick at the strings of fate ourselves.

as much as we may wish we did, we dont.

more mystically more like

and personally, i dont wish we did.

Is your argument that free will exists as the ability to reach new conclusions when presented with new information? If so, that can be explained by a slew of other processes @vespertilionineVigilante

well insofar as the information that can be generated and interpreted is inexhaustible it allows freedom enough

a person would need infinite time to exhaust all arrangements of thought and that no one has

and empiricism will never yield a causuality of thought only a physical description

so we are ostensibly free enough to choose

Henlo retards

free will in the way we describe it is the ability to act without the constraint of fate or determination.

in this sense, i do not beleive free will exists.

well any thing in linear time is determined

Hmm

however, free will does not necessarily have to be this definition.

if your will is perfectly alligned with fate,

there is no issue.

well yes there is often a confusion by the ability to make choices with a will, and complete freedom from causality which is silly

and, look at that, by nature of how our universe works

it is.

funny

well everyone is fated in a sense, as there will be a time at which our activity terminates and then it could be described in exact scientific detail and no matter what we choose that is true