Message from @ConservativeCalvinist

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2021-03-05 22:28:46 UTC  

The question is how are we saved faith or works, not whether or not you should do good works. verse 10 of Ephesians 2 says we are Gods workmanship and created for good works.

2021-03-05 22:29:48 UTC  

Yes

2021-03-05 22:31:16 UTC  

"For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them."

2021-03-05 22:31:38 UTC  

Killing people is not wrong if the people being killed are evildoers

2021-03-05 22:32:14 UTC  

What about Mercy

2021-03-05 22:32:19 UTC  

Can they not change?

2021-03-05 22:33:18 UTC  

Jesus did not simply kill the Pharisees

2021-03-05 22:33:19 UTC  

They could, possibly, but they still deserve punishment

2021-03-05 22:33:34 UTC  

Punishment, not always death

2021-03-05 22:33:34 UTC  

Thats not the issue. Everyone can change. But these are people who hold to those beleifs.

2021-03-05 22:33:35 UTC  

Protestants and Jews were the main target during the Spanish inquisition.

2021-03-05 22:33:52 UTC  

"Vengence is mine alone, says the lord"

2021-03-05 22:34:06 UTC  

But throughout the Bible God commands the Israelites to kill evildoers

2021-03-05 22:34:10 UTC  

We are not to kill because they are deserving

2021-03-05 22:34:24 UTC  

Justice and vengeance are two very different things

2021-03-05 22:34:33 UTC  

I'm just trying to say that killing can be wrong and can be right in some instances

2021-03-05 22:34:34 UTC  

I’m not saying go around killing people

2021-03-05 22:34:45 UTC  

That is actually a very fair argument.

2021-03-05 22:34:47 UTC  

But I do believe that murderers should be executed

2021-03-05 22:34:50 UTC  

5th commandment: Thou shalt not kill. Only exception is self defense

2021-03-05 22:35:16 UTC  

God commanded the Israelites to kill in justice countless times through the Bible

2021-03-05 22:35:17 UTC  

The more extreme ones

2021-03-05 22:35:24 UTC  

Or in a situation of protecting someone.

2021-03-05 22:35:25 UTC  

Ones that killed a lot

2021-03-05 22:35:37 UTC  

That is the civil authorities job.

2021-03-05 22:35:51 UTC  

How can murderers be more or less extreme? They’re still murderers

2021-03-05 22:36:03 UTC  

Didn’t say it wasn’t

2021-03-05 22:36:10 UTC  

There is a LOT of debate on ascribed vs prescribed commands in the bible.

2021-03-05 22:36:28 UTC  

You can kill one person or you can kill multiple people for a specific reason

2021-03-05 22:36:38 UTC  

It’s still murder

2021-03-05 22:36:55 UTC  

Some people will only kill once because someone drove them to far and will not kill again. Others will kill and enjoy it, and will kill again. There is a difference there.

2021-03-05 22:37:12 UTC  

The 5th commandment is talking about murder. War and just execution are not bound by the 5th commandment

2021-03-05 22:37:31 UTC  

No difference. Both took a life

2021-03-05 22:37:41 UTC  

Yes there is.

2021-03-05 22:38:04 UTC  

I believe NoMercys original argument was against what happened during the inquisition though.

2021-03-05 22:38:13 UTC  

Let me pose to you two examples Paul

2021-03-05 22:38:17 UTC  

Well yes that was unbiblical

2021-03-05 22:40:10 UTC  

Also I love how your name is “no mercy” and you’re advocating for mercy

2021-03-05 22:40:23 UTC  

Mercy from justice that is

2021-03-05 22:41:12 UTC  

God gives us mercy from his just wrath

2021-03-05 22:41:29 UTC  

Yes.