Message from @grete

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2021-01-16 23:45:27 UTC  

did anyone record the event

2021-01-16 23:45:27 UTC  

of why capitalism is either going to fail, or become a UBI dystopia

2021-01-16 23:45:30 UTC  

i think the problem with these more hesitant leftists like yourself is that you think this trend is a sort of aberration or distortion of true marxism and you dont consider the idea that these are intrinsic features

2021-01-16 23:45:35 UTC  

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2021-01-16 23:45:40 UTC  

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2021-01-16 23:45:40 UTC  

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2021-01-16 23:45:45 UTC  

yeah so muh poor people just scientific

2021-01-16 23:45:54 UTC  

not at all

2021-01-16 23:45:57 UTC  

yea at all

2021-01-16 23:46:15 UTC  

unless "the system is going to collapse so we need a new one" is somehow "muh poor people"

2021-01-16 23:46:29 UTC  

all political arguments have some degree of moralisation because it depends on what you value and how you want to elevate it

2021-01-16 23:46:33 UTC  

marxism as a doctrine is about the working class (viewed as poor people) revolting against the artificial aristocracy (bourgeois) made by liberalism

2021-01-16 23:46:51 UTC  

what

2021-01-16 23:47:04 UTC  

ofc but you can try and minimise this, eg compare a libertarian/ancom to someone like giuli

2021-01-16 23:47:15 UTC  

no

2021-01-16 23:47:25 UTC  

giuli is just as moral as they are

2021-01-16 23:47:31 UTC  

eventually DoTP will come

2021-01-16 23:47:41 UTC  

which is rule of the poor people abused by the rich

2021-01-16 23:47:41 UTC  

marxism is dead

2021-01-16 23:47:56 UTC  

the idea that nationalists have dis-entrenched morality from their worldview is so retarded

2021-01-16 23:47:59 UTC  

whats giuli

2021-01-16 23:48:03 UTC  

german food

2021-01-16 23:48:16 UTC  

from what I can tell at least, he first has an understanding of how the world works and then tries to impose his will in it

2021-01-16 23:48:31 UTC  

whereas ancaps/ancoms just have moralisations out of completely nowhere

2021-01-16 23:48:43 UTC  

'materialism for the world and idealism for the people' is something he mentioned

2021-01-16 23:48:55 UTC  

exactly

2021-01-16 23:49:04 UTC  

that the morality and ideology surrounding a political structure is just propaganda for the people to justify the moves within the material struggle

2021-01-16 23:49:08 UTC  

the world doesnt work in a linear fashion. globalist liberalism could probably *work* in the sense that it could sustain itself it would just be an undesirable existence

2021-01-16 23:49:12 UTC  

im back

2021-01-16 23:49:17 UTC  

even as a marxists, you don't tell most people "ackshually read capital economic determinism blah blah"

2021-01-16 23:49:17 UTC  

(black)

2021-01-16 23:49:39 UTC  

reading is for ppl who can't figure shit out on their own

2021-01-16 23:49:50 UTC  

leftists are good at unpropaganda

2021-01-16 23:50:11 UTC  

in no way is this counter to any moral assertion

2021-01-16 23:50:19 UTC  

yes it is

2021-01-16 23:50:20 UTC  

they worked themselves into the decolonization pipeline, or were helped there by spooks, and now are distant retards completely detached from american needs

2021-01-16 23:50:20 UTC  

nope

2021-01-16 23:50:29 UTC  

morality is just tools people use to get what they want in the world

2021-01-16 23:50:37 UTC  

of course its a tool

2021-01-16 23:50:54 UTC  

the actual reality of whats going on is not analysed by looking at morals