Message from @Victorian
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A winning country isn't immune to instability
The entire Weimar was going to dissolve into a shitshow regardless of what happened
Weimar could've stabilized there's examples of democracies pulling through worse
Greece, Italy come to mind
People were really pissed off, that is what propelled those movements, it was all of the incidence of the situation and much less to do with spontaneity due to culture
Nobody in Weimar wanted to stablize
NS in America could work with several particularist and culturally acceptable methods, and most people will ride along with it anyways
I disagree but it isnt worth arguing hypothetical
Even socialists get ground here even in this country based upon "muh individualism" "muh bourgeois liberty" because the masses are faced with certain conditions that make them like this sort of thing and want something new
I mean America's geography alone makes national socialism kinda impossible
They get ground?
When did they get a seat in congress?
Or any institutional power?
Observe to your left and you will see many such "democratic socialists"
These "democratic socialists" LOVE to frame themselves as new Americanism
With basis
Proposing such things as Real Democracy™ and Really Real Equality™
Bernie sanders has never said anything about bourgeois liberty
These ideas gain traction online cause they're cool but irl they don't matter
Because he is not going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to freedom he is going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to poor rentier that cannot afford food
Anarchism is outgrowth of American liberalism and an extension of it
Anarchism is popular in US because most people who are dissidents revolve around idea of distrusting big government or something
And they were never faced with genuine revolutionary conditions that vanguard party might be considered
I dint necessarily disagree with that
there is a vanguard party.....
its the democratic party.......
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I think in America in particular considerations like geopolitics and foreign powers aren't considered because as a nation we never have to deal with those issues
People are more inclined to idealism because they never feel any foreign threat
Agreed
Europe is getting that way as well Russia is a bit of a joke
Liberalism in foreign policy backfires when American people realize we are not actually spreading liberalism very much
Our "wars of liberation from le evil dictators" pretty much go nowhere and populace says "why are we still in Iraq?"
Because gucci contract money and strategic control
"But we went there to spread democracy and stop WMDs"
"Democracy?"
We did go into Iraq to spread democracy it just didn't work
this anime guy saying fax
Like we got very little benifit from it
And Iraq is a democracy