Message from @Jacques de Chan

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2021-02-25 00:03:02 UTC  

U cannot have a racially based totalitarian state that's compatible with American values

2021-02-25 00:03:03 UTC  

It is, after all, a national socialist movement and these are not necessarily all German larp festivals

2021-02-25 00:03:19 UTC  

You're not a national socialist right?

2021-02-25 00:03:33 UTC  

I am a Halo: Combat Evolved player

2021-02-25 00:03:41 UTC  

The fascist movement in America failed for the same reason it failed in Brittain

2021-02-25 00:03:50 UTC  

It just isn't compatible

2021-02-25 00:03:59 UTC  

Because the governments were already powerful enough and the masses had no real reason to change anything while they were on the top?

2021-02-25 00:04:14 UTC  

Fascism happened in Italy and NS in Germany because they were humiliated nations

2021-02-25 00:04:37 UTC  

Yes

2021-02-25 00:04:43 UTC  

That and Hitler

2021-02-25 00:04:47 UTC  

Nobody cared in Britain or America because those were the winning countries

2021-02-25 00:04:52 UTC  

Dude basically carried the right in Weimar

2021-02-25 00:05:04 UTC  

A winning country isn't immune to instability

2021-02-25 00:05:10 UTC  

The entire Weimar was going to dissolve into a shitshow regardless of what happened

2021-02-25 00:05:29 UTC  

Weimar could've stabilized there's examples of democracies pulling through worse

2021-02-25 00:05:44 UTC  

Greece, Italy come to mind

2021-02-25 00:05:47 UTC  

People were really pissed off, that is what propelled those movements, it was all of the incidence of the situation and much less to do with spontaneity due to culture

2021-02-25 00:06:03 UTC  

Nobody in Weimar wanted to stablize

2021-02-25 00:06:36 UTC  

NS in America could work with several particularist and culturally acceptable methods, and most people will ride along with it anyways

2021-02-25 00:06:56 UTC  

I disagree but it isnt worth arguing hypothetical

2021-02-25 00:07:21 UTC  

Even socialists get ground here even in this country based upon "muh individualism" "muh bourgeois liberty" because the masses are faced with certain conditions that make them like this sort of thing and want something new

2021-02-25 00:07:32 UTC  

I mean America's geography alone makes national socialism kinda impossible

2021-02-25 00:07:55 UTC  

They get ground?

2021-02-25 00:08:07 UTC  

When did they get a seat in congress?

2021-02-25 00:08:19 UTC  

Or any institutional power?

2021-02-25 00:08:39 UTC  

Observe to your left and you will see many such "democratic socialists"

2021-02-25 00:08:54 UTC  

These "democratic socialists" LOVE to frame themselves as new Americanism

2021-02-25 00:09:07 UTC  

With basis

2021-02-25 00:09:19 UTC  

Proposing such things as Real Democracy™ and Really Real Equality™

2021-02-25 00:09:22 UTC  

Bernie sanders has never said anything about bourgeois liberty

2021-02-25 00:09:39 UTC  

These ideas gain traction online cause they're cool but irl they don't matter

2021-02-25 00:09:51 UTC  

Because he is not going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to freedom he is going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to poor rentier that cannot afford food

2021-02-25 00:09:56 UTC  

Anarchism has a larger presence than any marxist movement

2021-02-25 00:10:10 UTC  

Anarchism is outgrowth of American liberalism and an extension of it

2021-02-25 00:10:31 UTC  

Anarchism is popular in US because most people who are dissidents revolve around idea of distrusting big government or something

2021-02-25 00:10:45 UTC  

And they were never faced with genuine revolutionary conditions that vanguard party might be considered

2021-02-25 00:11:03 UTC  

I dint necessarily disagree with that

2021-02-25 00:11:09 UTC  

there is a vanguard party.....

2021-02-25 00:11:12 UTC  

its the democratic party.......

2021-02-25 00:11:17 UTC  

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2021-02-25 00:11:35 UTC  

I think in America in particular considerations like geopolitics and foreign powers aren't considered because as a nation we never have to deal with those issues