Message from @Jacques de Chan

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2021-02-25 00:04:52 UTC  

Dude basically carried the right in Weimar

2021-02-25 00:05:04 UTC  

A winning country isn't immune to instability

2021-02-25 00:05:10 UTC  

The entire Weimar was going to dissolve into a shitshow regardless of what happened

2021-02-25 00:05:29 UTC  

Weimar could've stabilized there's examples of democracies pulling through worse

2021-02-25 00:05:44 UTC  

Greece, Italy come to mind

2021-02-25 00:05:47 UTC  

People were really pissed off, that is what propelled those movements, it was all of the incidence of the situation and much less to do with spontaneity due to culture

2021-02-25 00:06:03 UTC  

Nobody in Weimar wanted to stablize

2021-02-25 00:06:36 UTC  

NS in America could work with several particularist and culturally acceptable methods, and most people will ride along with it anyways

2021-02-25 00:06:56 UTC  

I disagree but it isnt worth arguing hypothetical

2021-02-25 00:07:21 UTC  

Even socialists get ground here even in this country based upon "muh individualism" "muh bourgeois liberty" because the masses are faced with certain conditions that make them like this sort of thing and want something new

2021-02-25 00:07:32 UTC  

I mean America's geography alone makes national socialism kinda impossible

2021-02-25 00:07:55 UTC  

They get ground?

2021-02-25 00:08:07 UTC  

When did they get a seat in congress?

2021-02-25 00:08:19 UTC  

Or any institutional power?

2021-02-25 00:08:39 UTC  

Observe to your left and you will see many such "democratic socialists"

2021-02-25 00:08:54 UTC  

These "democratic socialists" LOVE to frame themselves as new Americanism

2021-02-25 00:09:07 UTC  

With basis

2021-02-25 00:09:19 UTC  

Proposing such things as Real Democracy™ and Really Real Equality™

2021-02-25 00:09:22 UTC  

Bernie sanders has never said anything about bourgeois liberty

2021-02-25 00:09:39 UTC  

These ideas gain traction online cause they're cool but irl they don't matter

2021-02-25 00:09:51 UTC  

Because he is not going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to freedom he is going to tug on heartstrings by appealing to poor rentier that cannot afford food

2021-02-25 00:09:56 UTC  

Anarchism has a larger presence than any marxist movement

2021-02-25 00:10:10 UTC  

Anarchism is outgrowth of American liberalism and an extension of it

2021-02-25 00:10:31 UTC  

Anarchism is popular in US because most people who are dissidents revolve around idea of distrusting big government or something

2021-02-25 00:10:45 UTC  

And they were never faced with genuine revolutionary conditions that vanguard party might be considered

2021-02-25 00:11:03 UTC  

I dint necessarily disagree with that

2021-02-25 00:11:09 UTC  

there is a vanguard party.....

2021-02-25 00:11:12 UTC  

its the democratic party.......

2021-02-25 00:11:17 UTC  

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2021-02-25 00:11:35 UTC  

I think in America in particular considerations like geopolitics and foreign powers aren't considered because as a nation we never have to deal with those issues

2021-02-25 00:11:51 UTC  

People are more inclined to idealism because they never feel any foreign threat

2021-02-25 00:12:15 UTC  

Agreed

2021-02-25 00:12:18 UTC  

Europe is getting that way as well Russia is a bit of a joke

2021-02-25 00:13:03 UTC  

Liberalism in foreign policy backfires when American people realize we are not actually spreading liberalism very much

2021-02-25 00:13:16 UTC  

Our "wars of liberation from le evil dictators" pretty much go nowhere and populace says "why are we still in Iraq?"

2021-02-25 00:13:25 UTC  

Because gucci contract money and strategic control

2021-02-25 00:13:34 UTC  

"But we went there to spread democracy and stop WMDs"

2021-02-25 00:13:39 UTC  

"Democracy?"

2021-02-25 00:13:47 UTC  

We did go into Iraq to spread democracy it just didn't work

2021-02-25 00:13:54 UTC  

this anime guy saying fax

2021-02-25 00:13:56 UTC  

Like we got very little benifit from it