Message from @jabbatheshlut

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2018-09-29 21:22:24 UTC  

What is SSPX and FSSP

2018-09-29 21:23:41 UTC  

Super basic intro: SSPX split from Rome because they wanted to keep the Latin Mass and ordain their own bishops. FSSP split from SSPX because they wanted to keep the Latin mass but remain with rome

2018-09-29 21:24:49 UTC  

i read some stuff earlier

2018-09-29 21:24:57 UTC  

they are not really split in some sense

2018-09-29 21:25:02 UTC  

but it is indeed complicate3d

2018-09-29 21:25:05 UTC  

its not a schisiim

2018-09-29 21:25:11 UTC  

or so some would say

2018-09-29 21:25:23 UTC  

yeah I know, it's still better to stay away until it's settled imho

2018-09-29 21:25:25 UTC  

both are great

2018-09-29 21:27:19 UTC  

if u can only find novus ordo parishes and services this will suffice and if you have no other options dont not feel bad about going to them

2018-09-29 21:31:11 UTC  

Full autismo version: the SSPX is a priestly society that was founded with the full approval of Rome by Archbishop Lefebvre, he did so to preserve the full integrity of the Catholic faith against the modernist forces of Vatican II. In the years following Rome tried to force them to accept modernism and perescuted them by pulling their ordinary jurisdiction when they refused. Since then they have continued to administer the sacraments under supplied jurisdiction

2018-09-29 21:32:15 UTC  

Without the SSPX the traditional Latin Mass would be virtually non-existent today

2018-09-29 21:38:30 UTC  

Eh. Benedict was a thing so thats probably not accurate

2018-09-29 21:39:41 UTC  

In fact i think the separation of SSPX from ordinary parishes helped modernists cast aside the true Catholics instead of SSPX helping with returning normies to traditions

2018-09-29 21:41:45 UTC  

Cowards ran when there was a fight. I have parisioners who returned from SSPX to FSSP parishes because they realized SSPXis infiltrated by sede cucks and leading many astray.

2018-09-29 21:42:43 UTC  

I get the SSPX argument and canon law etc. But i think its just wrong. The church didnt schism during the Arian heresy. People stood and fought and were persecuted for the truth even when the popes and emporers were interfering.

2018-09-29 21:45:48 UTC  

we may have a debate in the near future sedes vs non sedes on the daily braap

2018-09-29 21:46:24 UTC  

this isn't a sede debate

2018-09-29 21:46:49 UTC  

No sedes here

2018-09-29 21:47:50 UTC  

The SSPX laity were just Catholics who refused to accept the novus ordo and doctrinal abiguities of VII

2018-09-29 21:48:08 UTC  

But i want the blood of the martyrs to run the streets

2018-09-29 21:48:10 UTC  

they couldn't exactly force diocesan parishes to continue the TLM

2018-09-29 21:48:22 UTC  

I want to see excommunication of lefebvre

2018-09-29 21:48:27 UTC  

So people wake up

2018-09-29 21:49:26 UTC  

But instead he slinked away quietly and with a whisper not a bang. You get what im saying right?

2018-09-29 21:49:33 UTC  

i meant we would have some discussion about this issue on the show

2018-09-29 21:49:39 UTC  

the daily braap possibly next saturday

2018-09-29 21:50:06 UTC  

with classical theist

2018-09-29 21:50:12 UTC  

and maybe simon the sede

2018-09-29 21:50:22 UTC  

but simon is no where near as educated as classical

2018-09-29 21:50:59 UTC  

He was (falsely) excommunicated and he fought for the faith agressively when he was alive

2018-09-29 21:51:43 UTC  

I'd watch, though theist is hard to listen too imho.

2018-09-29 21:52:09 UTC  

His fight was well intended just on the wrong battlefield

2018-09-29 21:52:14 UTC  

Is my point

2018-09-29 21:52:45 UTC  

Anyone want to give their thoughts on the Borgias?

2018-09-29 21:52:47 UTC  

Aka

2018-09-29 21:53:00 UTC  

yeah but if theist is with other people

2018-09-29 21:53:04 UTC  

he will be way more bearable

2018-09-29 21:53:11 UTC  

he will be with me and others

2018-09-29 21:53:13 UTC  

Pope Alexander VI

2018-09-29 21:53:29 UTC  

i read lefabrve wasnt actually excommunicated