Message from @Joe the boomer
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No sedes here
The SSPX laity were just Catholics who refused to accept the novus ordo and doctrinal abiguities of VII
But i want the blood of the martyrs to run the streets
they couldn't exactly force diocesan parishes to continue the TLM
I want to see excommunication of lefebvre
So people wake up
But instead he slinked away quietly and with a whisper not a bang. You get what im saying right?
i meant we would have some discussion about this issue on the show
the daily braap possibly next saturday
with classical theist
and maybe simon the sede
but simon is no where near as educated as classical
He was (falsely) excommunicated and he fought for the faith agressively when he was alive
I'd watch, though theist is hard to listen too imho.
His fight was well intended just on the wrong battlefield
Is my point
Anyone want to give their thoughts on the Borgias?
Aka
yeah but if theist is with other people
he will be way more bearable
Pope Alexander VI
i read lefabrve wasnt actually excommunicated
he wasn't validly, because the reason was ridiculous and uncanonical
Again the primary reason he founded the SSPX was to continue administering the Mass and sacraments to the faithful under the traditional pre-VII form, which would have been impossible any other way
faithful laity who were in a spiritual crisis without that
ok serious quesytion how am i supposed to celebrate all these amazing feast days
FSSPers wouldn't have their fssp and summorum pontificum if he hadn't done it
probably true
If you have a 1962 missal it has dedicated prayers for all of the feast days
True, it's more about the future now. FSSP is growing whilst the SSPX situation seems to only be done right by a conservative pope. Kinda waiting for that so things get cleared up. I just don't want people to fall for sedes.
Not saying SSPX is sede to clarfiy. But even in my parish voices are heard. We have to be careful.
true but the sspx is anti-sede too
^^
yeah dont have that
a missal
Just because we dont know what wouldve happened doesnt mean lefebvre and others made the best decision for the future of the church
We dont know what a little more laity and a little more clergy would have done to support Benedict. But instead his allies chastised him and seperated themselves as SSPX. Its possible that the St Gallen Mafia would have been defeated for good. But now we have a Francis Pontificate. And i think it vouod have been avoided if more Faithful remained to support her Papa Emeritus in the fight against modernism
But we will never know either way UNLESS i see "significant" numbers indicating SSPX priests or faithful slowly returning to the church. Due to whatever. Then i would cacnonize lefebvre lol
Ratzinger/Benedict was a slightly less liberal modernist, and regardless I’ve been talking about the 1970s in the immediate wake of VII.
We're talking about a time when high altars and altar rails were being physically torn out of churches, and clown masses/'new sacraments' being forced on the laity