Not saying SSPX is sede to clarfiy. But even in my parish voices are heard. We have to be careful.

true but the sspx is anti-sede too

^^

yeah dont have that

a missal

Just because we dont know what wouldve happened doesnt mean lefebvre and others made the best decision for the future of the church

We dont know what a little more laity and a little more clergy would have done to support Benedict. But instead his allies chastised him and seperated themselves as SSPX. Its possible that the St Gallen Mafia would have been defeated for good. But now we have a Francis Pontificate. And i think it vouod have been avoided if more Faithful remained to support her Papa Emeritus in the fight against modernism

But we will never know either way UNLESS i see "significant" numbers indicating SSPX priests or faithful slowly returning to the church. Due to whatever. Then i would cacnonize lefebvre lol

Ratzinger/Benedict was a slightly less liberal modernist, and regardless I’ve been talking about the 1970s in the immediate wake of VII.

We're talking about a time when high altars and altar rails were being physically torn out of churches, and clown masses/'new sacraments' being forced on the laity

Then this is just a misunderstanding lmao. There is indeed a big difference between then and now. My own archbishop removed the table himself as sign of what is to come.

It really is a misunderstanding

Yeah man them clown masses were real af

And the scandal of all those nuns becoming defacto whores and stuff

JMJ

Times had a magazine with that on the cover

Scandalous

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Anyone want to give me a brief summary of the Borgias?

id like to hear some takes as well

I'm watching the Borgias

On Netflix

And so far

It's a great show

its a good show but its hollywoods takes ]

its scandalous and does not give one custody of the senses

All SSPX priests now are ordained under the authority of Rome, and they even organize the mass at the Vatican occasionally. I dont see how it could be seen as problematic

Maybe under the assumption of heresy against the church during the time lefebvre was excommunicated because all the people he ordained were considered invalid but its way different now.

^^I think the SSPX are for the most part fine rn, I'd personally rather go to FSSP mass if I can but it's sacraments aren't illicit anymore I don't think

@jabbatheshlut Thanks for the book recommendation yesterday my dude, Answered so many questions I didn't know I even had

Even better that it came from an ex-calvinist so a lot of the issues he originally had were the same as mine

Okay this is epic

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are exorcisms legit?

are demonic nibbas real?

yup

demons are real

so are eucharistic miracles