What...?

Why wouldn’t we talk about rates

There’s a reason why we don’t have 40,000 deaths per 100,000 people due to influenza

It’s because of vaccines

Because that's your strawman. Here, let's try this again.....do diseases kill 100% of the people who aren't vaccinated?

No. We have immune systems to help us

Vaccines strengthen our immune system

I didn't ask if vaccines strengthen our immune systems. Please stop embellishing your answers with strawman positions.

So these are the facts from you so far,.

People can be harmed from vaccines, from minor to major harm including death.

People can survive not vaccinated.

You think it's OK to harm people to get what you want.

You are anti-immigration.

Are these statements accurate?

Idk why you’re trying to simplify it

You stand a better chance of survival with a vaccination than without one

I don't know why you're trying to complicate it. Are these statements of yours accurate?

"You stand a better chance of survival with a vaccination than without one"
Please dont create strawman positions in an attempt to solidify your argument.

*crickets*
No response? I'm out.

Does herd immunity mean nothing to you @hootersforshooters

Also you are literally throwing aside facts that @say has put to you

I have no idea. What does herd immunity mean to you?

I'm not throwing aside anything. I'm keeping him to the subject at hand

His "facts" are mere distractions from the subject matter.

Herd immunity means as long as enough of a Population is immunised to a disease that disease can not spread through them to more vulnerable members of the community who can't v he immunised

So, then.....you're against immigration then, right?

And against travel, right?

I am for informed consent and educating those who believe that health should be associated with politics

And pro-coercion, right?

So.....anti-immigration, right?

No because you can vaccinate immigrants they aren't vaccine repellent

But what if they don't want to be immunized?

Well then that's their right

OK, great. Problem solved. Vaccinate if you want to.

Children are different however

So.....coercion?

No to send a immuninisable child to school without vaccines regardless of your personal view on vaccines is neglectful of the child's health

How so?

Are you trying to say that one form of harm is acceptable whereas another form of harm isn't?

You are potentially exposing a child who can not make their own decisions to diseases which can prove fatal

Their is a difference between a pin prick and a bit of redness for a day and contracting measles