What does significantly mean to someone who survived it? I would say that, for that individual, significant means nothing.

What..?

You need antibodies to fight these diseases. When you have these antibodies your body can easily fight off the disease

If someone survived an infection without being vaccinated, he didn't "significantly better chance of survival". ….he DID survive.

That’s nonsense

How so?

That person DIDN'T survive? You agreed that it's possible. So, I guess it's not nonsense.

If you get two groups of 1,000 people. One group has been vaccinated, the other has not. And you expose all of them to the flu virus, the group that has been vaccinated will survive much more than those not vaccinated

Strawman. That is not what we discussed.

How is it a strawman

We’re discussing survival rates

Those who are vaccinated have a much greater chance of survival than those who havent

Only you're talking 'rates". That is your attempt to divert from the subject at hand.

What...?

Why wouldn’t we talk about rates

There’s a reason why we don’t have 40,000 deaths per 100,000 people due to influenza

It’s because of vaccines

Because that's your strawman. Here, let's try this again.....do diseases kill 100% of the people who aren't vaccinated?

No. We have immune systems to help us

Vaccines strengthen our immune system

I didn't ask if vaccines strengthen our immune systems. Please stop embellishing your answers with strawman positions.

So these are the facts from you so far,.

People can be harmed from vaccines, from minor to major harm including death.

People can survive not vaccinated.

You think it's OK to harm people to get what you want.

You are anti-immigration.

Are these statements accurate?

Idk why you’re trying to simplify it

You stand a better chance of survival with a vaccination than without one

I don't know why you're trying to complicate it. Are these statements of yours accurate?

"You stand a better chance of survival with a vaccination than without one"
Please dont create strawman positions in an attempt to solidify your argument.

*crickets*
No response? I'm out.

Does herd immunity mean nothing to you @hootersforshooters

Also you are literally throwing aside facts that @say has put to you

I have no idea. What does herd immunity mean to you?

I'm not throwing aside anything. I'm keeping him to the subject at hand

His "facts" are mere distractions from the subject matter.

Herd immunity means as long as enough of a Population is immunised to a disease that disease can not spread through them to more vulnerable members of the community who can't v he immunised

So, then.....you're against immigration then, right?

And against travel, right?

I am for informed consent and educating those who believe that health should be associated with politics