Message from @Mattie

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2019-11-11 00:02:32 UTC  

@Say you think you're allowed to harm people .

2019-11-11 00:02:52 UTC  

Yes but statistics are still a very important point

2019-11-11 00:02:58 UTC  

That you're allowed to coerce people.

2019-11-11 00:03:04 UTC  

You may have to cause someone pain to fix a broken bone, but in the end, you won’t die from that broken bone

2019-11-11 00:03:09 UTC  

@Mattie not to this subject matter.

2019-11-11 00:03:26 UTC  

You might break a few ribs while giving CPR, but it’s worth it to save the person’s life

2019-11-11 00:03:29 UTC  

@Say so, you believe in coercion, right?

2019-11-11 00:03:36 UTC  

By that logic we shouldn't relocate a dislocated shoulder because we could cause harm

2019-11-11 00:03:58 UTC  

@hootersforshooters so you think we shouldn’t give people CPR, right?

2019-11-11 00:04:07 UTC  

Cause it might break a few ribs and cause them pain

2019-11-11 00:04:12 UTC  

@Say "You might break a few ribs while giving CPR, but it’s worth it to save the person’s life"
Please stop with the strawman. You're not a real doctor, are you?

2019-11-11 00:04:17 UTC  

Or ct or xrays either

2019-11-11 00:04:19 UTC  

I am

2019-11-11 00:04:23 UTC  

Because radiation

2019-11-11 00:04:24 UTC  

It’s not a strawman

2019-11-11 00:04:34 UTC  

Strawman strawman strawman....

2019-11-11 00:04:46 UTC  

Broken ribs are a common side affect of cpr

2019-11-11 00:04:54 UTC  

You’re saying that it’s unacceptable to potentially harm someone in order to save their life

2019-11-11 00:04:57 UTC  

Coercion, yes or no?

2019-11-11 00:05:01 UTC  

You are hiding behind a straw man

2019-11-11 00:05:19 UTC  

If you don't like a valid argument you call it a straw man lol

2019-11-11 00:05:25 UTC  

^

2019-11-11 00:05:29 UTC  

It's impossible to create a strawman when sticking to the subject matter.

2019-11-11 00:05:42 UTC  

Or that strawman

2019-11-11 00:05:53 UTC  

Saying that its not on topic

2019-11-11 00:05:54 UTC  

Analogies aren’t strawmen

2019-11-11 00:05:55 UTC  

@Mattie um, no......it's not a valid argument. That's why

2019-11-11 00:06:09 UTC  

Analogies are useful to see logical consistency

2019-11-11 00:06:28 UTC  

Inaccurate analogies are, though. False comparison.

2019-11-11 00:06:37 UTC  

The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally

2019-11-11 00:06:41 UTC  

How is the CPR analogy not analogous

2019-11-11 00:07:02 UTC  

Here we go.....the discussion has broken down to semantics. The first step towards impasse.

2019-11-11 00:07:19 UTC  

Tell me how the CPR example is not analgous

2019-11-11 00:07:23 UTC  

Get of your high horse and answer the question which

2019-11-11 00:07:30 UTC  

Is not hard

2019-11-11 00:07:52 UTC  

@Mattie
"The greater good outweighs the potential costs both societally and personally"
So, then your AREN'T about informed consent, are you? Since this contradicts what you said earlier....

2019-11-11 00:08:05 UTC  

Answer the question

2019-11-11 00:08:14 UTC  

How is the CPR example not analogous

2019-11-11 00:08:19 UTC  

Stop avoiding the question

2019-11-11 00:08:24 UTC  

@Mattie why don't you forget about the horse and repair your contradiction?

2019-11-11 00:09:05 UTC  

@Say because there is no consent.