Message from @somekat

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2019-11-13 16:51:44 UTC  

Ok, if you have a sheet of rubber, and you place a large rock onto it, and the rubber bends down, and then you drop a ball at the edge of the rubber and it rolls to the middle, and then you put a larger rock on the rubber, and the outter marbles fall to the middle faster, this interaction is what gravity is like, it's not the mass directly that causes it, it's the mass, that causes the bending of the rubber to a steeper angle, that causes gravity, it's an indirect force, but the mass itself is not the cause of the acceleration created, that is his point.

2019-11-13 16:52:16 UTC  

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2019-11-13 16:52:21 UTC  

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2019-11-13 16:52:29 UTC  

so this ^?

2019-11-13 16:52:47 UTC  

yes, the rocks are not 'creating gravity' all they do is bend spacetime.

2019-11-13 16:52:55 UTC  

so gravity is not a force

2019-11-13 16:52:56 UTC  

lol

2019-11-13 16:52:59 UTC  

'according to real science'

2019-11-13 16:53:05 UTC  

rock is doimg what

2019-11-13 16:53:14 UTC  

the mass of an object bends spacetime

2019-11-13 16:53:18 UTC  

so your saying that everything in the universe gets "pulled" to a central point?

2019-11-13 16:53:20 UTC  

oof

2019-11-13 16:53:45 UTC  

there is no central point of mass, but everything in the universe is pulled towards each other like how you are thinking in that analogy yes

2019-11-13 16:54:02 UTC  

tnis bendy $hit ,they just denying whats really going on

2019-11-13 16:54:25 UTC  

but what the scientists mean when they say it's not a force, is literal, they literally mean it's not a force, because it's not

2019-11-13 16:54:37 UTC  

yes it is

2019-11-13 16:54:53 UTC  

tnings dont move by themselves

2019-11-13 16:55:10 UTC  

no absolute central point, especially in GR where everything can be considered a central point, relatively speaking.

2019-11-13 16:55:50 UTC  

gr will be proved bs soon

2019-11-13 16:56:27 UTC  

moving doesn't mean something is a force, there are types of movement that defies standard types of physics. a 'wormhole' is bent space, yet can let you move very far in a short amount of time

2019-11-13 16:56:45 UTC  

to move something takes a force simple

2019-11-13 16:57:10 UTC  

no, because you will find the lowest state of energy no matter what, a slide doesn't need a motor

2019-11-13 16:57:26 UTC  

try move something ...you will have to put a force in to move it

2019-11-13 16:57:33 UTC  

simple

2019-11-13 16:57:54 UTC  

something finding it's lowest state of energy isn't 'movement' it's equalization. a ball rolling down a hill isn't 'generating' force, it's equalizing.

2019-11-13 16:58:19 UTC  

theres a force rolling it down the hill

2019-11-13 16:58:38 UTC  

no shit, there would be constants in an scenario with a 'slide'

2019-11-13 16:58:56 UTC  

yes so no force...no movement

2019-11-13 16:58:59 UTC  

the HILL is not the force

2019-11-13 16:59:11 UTC  

the force moving it DOWN THE HILL is

2019-11-13 16:59:22 UTC  

go on

2019-11-13 16:59:26 UTC  

....

2019-11-13 16:59:27 UTC  

is what

2019-11-13 16:59:34 UTC  

whats the force

2019-11-13 16:59:58 UTC  

2019-11-13 17:00:13 UTC  

without swearing

2019-11-13 17:00:57 UTC  

do you conceptually understand the point is that the measurement of force the hill creates is separate from the force that moves the ball down the hill

2019-11-13 17:01:23 UTC  

a steeper hill is STILL NOT THE FORCE moving the ball down it

2019-11-13 17:01:33 UTC  

yes

2019-11-13 17:01:38 UTC  

whats causing it