i've liked the .357 SIG for years. Necked cartridges always do the trick, they just stopped making them after 9x19 hit. 7.62x25 was good enough as it were. I'm assuming production costs vs. demand is the issue with .357 SIG as opposed to 5.7x28 as P90 is in wide use all over the globe.

Yeah, but the problem is, is that 9x19 as a cartridge has just aged better than just about everything that came out during the same time.

it has aged better because it came out about the same time as automatic pistols started showing up. probably because of 08 luger. same goes for .45 in essence due to 1911. military cartridges get more popular as they are more readily available.

Well, one could argue that .45 really hasn't aged well either. It's a low pressure cartridge for how big it is. 9mm hits more of goldilocks sweet spot. It offers enough power with a decent amount of pressure in an efficient package.

sure, i assumed 'aged well' meant in terms of popularity. i'm not a big fan of .45 but not of 9mm either. they are in the same range of KE, something I wish I hadn't said on youtube so I could still read comment replies. 10 mm is probably the least recent automatic pistol cartridge I like, and it's from the seventies.

beyond 7.62TT naturally

KE in pistol cartridges is an absolute meme.

What matters is tissue damage.

which is impossible to quantify

tissue damage is just a new word for stopping power

what matters is shot placement

Except they have. There's people who studied gunshot wounds for decades to figure out what it is that causes the quickest incapacitations.

That's literally what the FBI standards are for.

i don't think you understand what the word 'literally' means

"tissue damage" means that a .50 BMG is more efficient over .22 LR

Is being able to have a projectile that reaches what it needs to, while having expansion to cause as much damage as possible on the way.

Yes.

Yes it is.

Being shot with a .50 is going to cause massive amounts of internal damage.

yes, exactly. so let's all just use 30 mm in pistols 'cause tissue damage

I really am not understanding your rhetoric. Obviously something like .50 is going to represent an extreme.

But that doesn't mean that .22lr is something that should be relied on, because it may not actually penetrate deep enough or have any amount of expansion.

i think you understand it perfectly well but just figured you fucked up by saying what you just did

I'm really lost.

#metoo

FBI isn't using .50 AE now are they?

I think you might be strawmanning me.

no, just taking you by your word

Because just focusing on KE is going to favor .50 also.

you said tissue damage is the only thing that fbi care about

this is boring me

I said that KE matters less than tissue damage.

no, you said KE is a meme

Yes.

now being a boomer i don't know that meme

KE is something that boomers unironically obsess about.

i do know the stopping power meme, which is apparently now the tissue damage meme

KE is the stopping power meme.

KE = Kinetic Energy.

It's the idea that .45 is somehow a nuclear bomb compared to 9mm.