No time for debate or anything, nope just instantly outlawed.

This is why the American political system is the way it is.

whys that

even when norway did have it terror attack that did leave more people dead. we did not change the laws. the best thing was that after the attack the usual ban weapons people did ask the PM and he did just say that was a discussion for an other day, now we had to take care of the victims and their families. so when the topic did come up the police did have it reports from the investigation and people was no longer emotional enraged so the conclusion was that the laws did work just fine. the terrorist was a law abiding person until the attack, even the bomb materials was legally bought as he owned a small farm. NZ have 100% lost to the terrorist

it simple never discuss or change laws when the bodies are not buried yet, they will just be tyrannical in nature

@nutsnax To prevent kneejerk reactions instantly criminalizing millions of people at the same time.

Of course it doesn't always work. Look at the wars we get into in the middle east, but at the very least there's due process there.

well, now we have the internets

I don't think GW Iraq would happen now

because too many people would call bullshit

Well, Guess ill get stabbed or killed by an illegal with an illegal gun

i've liked the .357 SIG for years. Necked cartridges always do the trick, they just stopped making them after 9x19 hit. 7.62x25 was good enough as it were. I'm assuming production costs vs. demand is the issue with .357 SIG as opposed to 5.7x28 as P90 is in wide use all over the globe.

Yeah, but the problem is, is that 9x19 as a cartridge has just aged better than just about everything that came out during the same time.

it has aged better because it came out about the same time as automatic pistols started showing up. probably because of 08 luger. same goes for .45 in essence due to 1911. military cartridges get more popular as they are more readily available.

Well, one could argue that .45 really hasn't aged well either. It's a low pressure cartridge for how big it is. 9mm hits more of goldilocks sweet spot. It offers enough power with a decent amount of pressure in an efficient package.

sure, i assumed 'aged well' meant in terms of popularity. i'm not a big fan of .45 but not of 9mm either. they are in the same range of KE, something I wish I hadn't said on youtube so I could still read comment replies. 10 mm is probably the least recent automatic pistol cartridge I like, and it's from the seventies.

beyond 7.62TT naturally

KE in pistol cartridges is an absolute meme.

What matters is tissue damage.

which is impossible to quantify

tissue damage is just a new word for stopping power

what matters is shot placement

Except they have. There's people who studied gunshot wounds for decades to figure out what it is that causes the quickest incapacitations.

That's literally what the FBI standards are for.

i don't think you understand what the word 'literally' means

"tissue damage" means that a .50 BMG is more efficient over .22 LR

Is being able to have a projectile that reaches what it needs to, while having expansion to cause as much damage as possible on the way.

Yes.

Yes it is.

Being shot with a .50 is going to cause massive amounts of internal damage.

yes, exactly. so let's all just use 30 mm in pistols 'cause tissue damage

I really am not understanding your rhetoric. Obviously something like .50 is going to represent an extreme.

But that doesn't mean that .22lr is something that should be relied on, because it may not actually penetrate deep enough or have any amount of expansion.

i think you understand it perfectly well but just figured you fucked up by saying what you just did

I'm really lost.

#metoo

FBI isn't using .50 AE now are they?

I think you might be strawmanning me.

no, just taking you by your word

Because just focusing on KE is going to favor .50 also.