Being shot with a .50 is going to cause massive amounts of internal damage.

yes, exactly. so let's all just use 30 mm in pistols 'cause tissue damage

I really am not understanding your rhetoric. Obviously something like .50 is going to represent an extreme.

But that doesn't mean that .22lr is something that should be relied on, because it may not actually penetrate deep enough or have any amount of expansion.

i think you understand it perfectly well but just figured you fucked up by saying what you just did

I'm really lost.

#metoo

FBI isn't using .50 AE now are they?

I think you might be strawmanning me.

no, just taking you by your word

Because just focusing on KE is going to favor .50 also.

you said tissue damage is the only thing that fbi care about

this is boring me

I said that KE matters less than tissue damage.

no, you said KE is a meme

Yes.

now being a boomer i don't know that meme

KE is something that boomers unironically obsess about.

i do know the stopping power meme, which is apparently now the tissue damage meme

KE is the stopping power meme.

KE = Kinetic Energy.

It's the idea that .45 is somehow a nuclear bomb compared to 9mm.

KE is a value derived from a formula, stopping power is something that's not quantifiable

no, 9 mm and .45 have practically the similar KE

It's "muh ft-lbs"

They're all related.

again, KE and ft-lbs are different

of course everything is related

You know what? This is going nowhere, you and I are discussing different things.

We can't even agree on terms, there is no point.

i think you're just cornered and want out

I really don't, but if you want to "win" then go ahead.

KE is mass times the square of speed

meaning 9 mm with more speed hits equally hard as the heavier .45 (relatively), ft-lbs is the muzzle energy.

I know that. Why are we discussing this?

and penetration details matter just as much to fbi as the terminal ballistics (ie. tissue damage). .50 AE isn't used by the FBI because while it has the tissue damage, it's a shitty cartridge.

I know that, but why are you resorting to a straw man?

just 2 seconds ago you said stopping power, KE and muzzle energy are the same thing

before that you said tissue damage is literally the only thing FBI cares about

No I fucking didn't.

i'm just rubbing it in honey, you call it a straw man because you're a fucking idiot