Yeah no shit

And no matter how he says it wont, it will grow

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1130530010010411008 @Jabba's Soapbox I dunno if my stomach can take it

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki well your only other choice is to hope for total societal collapse.

So choose wisely

Only ubi is worse than current welfare. Least current SHOULD be limited to those who need it

Sorry I dont see giving everyone 1k bucks as society saving. I see it as an inflationary tool

Because within a year or 2 it will be like that 1k doesnt exist as inflation quickly moves to match

automation can make UBI possible, but not now

But Yang also shows signs hes against a free market.

Fact:

The welfare state WILL COLLAPSE.

It will not last forever, nor for very much longer.

This is a fact.

Do you want it to collapse while a whole bunch of people are dependent upon various programs? Or do you want it to collapse where it's just an extra income check?

@woll3 only with a completely controlled market and extreme taxing on businesses

Which will be a reality once the time comes, but as said, at this point in time its a thought experiment, not reality

People will be dependant on either. And tbh those dependant wholly on welfare wont survive with only yangbucks

So it doesnt fix anything

And even then, there is absolutely no guarantee that with yang bucks the welfare system will vanish

UBI is a soft landing for welfare collapse.

Thats my argument.

Yang can say it will. But Congress would make that call, and the DNC wouldn't ever agree to defunding their largest voting block

Also true

So basically it would just accelerate that collapse you mention

No, it will soften it into a controlled demolition

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with targeted welfare, and nothing more needed

that the system can be refined is a reality though

We're already on track for a point of no return with national, debt

@woll3 I disagree

How so?

Eh it just needs to be more targeted. It needs refined and fraudsters kicked off.

Why should everyone receive 1000$ at all time

The reality is that welfare is the worst thing govt has ever invented

Because of implementation

No

you need to set goals and have punishments to make sure people arent dependent

It will always be implemented poorly.

Because that's how govt works.

This is where argus goes ancapistan

By that logic ancap is the way to go

It is lol

No ancap is a pipe dream like "true communism"

Minimize govt involved then we can start actually fixing shit

UBI is completely unnecessary spending that makes people even more dependent or entices people to stop working in the worst case

@woll3 you think welfare has been around forever?

It's only 70 years old.

We're running on fumes with national debt.

As if welfare is the big issue in this regard

That's what we're discussing