So it doesnt fix anything

And even then, there is absolutely no guarantee that with yang bucks the welfare system will vanish

UBI is a soft landing for welfare collapse.

Thats my argument.

Yang can say it will. But Congress would make that call, and the DNC wouldn't ever agree to defunding their largest voting block

Also true

So basically it would just accelerate that collapse you mention

No, it will soften it into a controlled demolition

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with targeted welfare, and nothing more needed

that the system can be refined is a reality though

We're already on track for a point of no return with national, debt

@woll3 I disagree

How so?

Eh it just needs to be more targeted. It needs refined and fraudsters kicked off.

Why should everyone receive 1000$ at all time

The reality is that welfare is the worst thing govt has ever invented

Because of implementation

No

you need to set goals and have punishments to make sure people arent dependent

It will always be implemented poorly.

Because that's how govt works.

This is where argus goes ancapistan

By that logic ancap is the way to go

It is lol

No ancap is a pipe dream like "true communism"

Minimize govt involved then we can start actually fixing shit

UBI is completely unnecessary spending that makes people even more dependent or entices people to stop working in the worst case

@woll3 you think welfare has been around forever?

It's only 70 years old.

We're running on fumes with national debt.

As if welfare is the big issue in this regard

That's what we're discussing

Lots of people are already dependent and enticed to stop work

UBI will just increase your debt

regardless one less aircraft carrier cant hurt

kappa

It's a new concept, never before implemented, it failed, and YOU want to claim that "Maybe we should try again, but better this time!" @woll3

@Fitzydog you can still reform it, and bring it down to just true disability. Without handing out yangbucks

You failed because you are retards

@Fitzydog ubi failed as well.

or the implementation was retarded, lets put it this way

@woll3 Go back to arguing for real communism why don't you?

In every test

WTF are you smoking

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Yes I know