Message from @woll3
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Only ubi is worse than current welfare. Least current SHOULD be limited to those who need it
Sorry I dont see giving everyone 1k bucks as society saving. I see it as an inflationary tool
Because within a year or 2 it will be like that 1k doesnt exist as inflation quickly moves to match
automation can make UBI possible, but not now
But Yang also shows signs hes against a free market.
Fact:
The welfare state WILL COLLAPSE.
It will not last forever, nor for very much longer.
This is a fact.
Do you want it to collapse while a whole bunch of people are dependent upon various programs? Or do you want it to collapse where it's just an extra income check?
@woll3 only with a completely controlled market and extreme taxing on businesses
Which will be a reality once the time comes, but as said, at this point in time its a thought experiment, not reality
People will be dependant on either. And tbh those dependant wholly on welfare wont survive with only yangbucks
So it doesnt fix anything
And even then, there is absolutely no guarantee that with yang bucks the welfare system will vanish
UBI is a soft landing for welfare collapse.
Thats my argument.
Yang can say it will. But Congress would make that call, and the DNC wouldn't ever agree to defunding their largest voting block
Also true
So basically it would just accelerate that collapse you mention
No, it will soften it into a controlled demolition
The reality is that there is nothing wrong with targeted welfare, and nothing more needed
that the system can be refined is a reality though
We're already on track for a point of no return with national, debt
Eh it just needs to be more targeted. It needs refined and fraudsters kicked off.
Why should everyone receive 1000$ at all time
The reality is that welfare is the worst thing govt has ever invented
Because of implementation
No
you need to set goals and have punishments to make sure people arent dependent
It will always be implemented poorly.
Because that's how govt works.
This is where argus goes ancapistan
By that logic ancap is the way to go
It is lol
No ancap is a pipe dream like "true communism"
Minimize govt involved then we can start actually fixing shit
UBI is completely unnecessary spending that makes people even more dependent or entices people to stop working in the worst case
@woll3 you think welfare has been around forever?
It's only 70 years old.
We're running on fumes with national debt.
As if welfare is the big issue in this regard
That's what we're discussing
Lots of people are already dependent and enticed to stop work
UBI will just increase your debt
regardless one less aircraft carrier cant hurt
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