Message from @folk

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2017-12-18 23:55:35 UTC  

Not even banning to private citizens

2017-12-18 23:55:53 UTC  

THEY'RE JUST BANNING FROM GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

2017-12-18 23:56:35 UTC  

well, it's a very complicated case, so it's right of them to sue for it at least

2017-12-18 23:57:40 UTC  

tbh I've never heard of Kaspersky

2017-12-18 23:57:41 UTC  

but my immediate reaction is that the administration is obviously allowed to do this

2017-12-18 23:58:15 UTC  

The government can say "No Coca-Cola allowed in government agencies"

2017-12-19 00:01:42 UTC  

yes but the problem is that someone, somewhere, has accused Kaspersky of essentially being a front for Putin

2017-12-19 00:01:59 UTC  

so some people in the government has picked up on this

2017-12-19 00:02:15 UTC  

“The case against Kaspersky is well-documented and deeply concerning. This law is long overdue,” said Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen.

2017-12-19 00:02:22 UTC  

they should of said, "Kaspersky is worse than that cancer McAfee"

2017-12-19 00:02:25 UTC  

and she is mistaken, it's not well-documented at all

2017-12-19 00:02:34 UTC  

I agree

2017-12-19 00:02:51 UTC  

and I agree that they should be able to just say "we'd rather use american products", or "go fuck yourself"

2017-12-19 00:03:05 UTC  

I'd make the arguement that most anti-virus products are crap

2017-12-19 00:03:11 UTC  

you'd be correct

2017-12-19 00:03:37 UTC  

Would this scenario even happen in norway?

2017-12-19 00:04:53 UTC  

well, we're in a weird situation, because we have a decent IT security team at the national level, and decent governing regulations for what companies are allowed to do etc (though obviously not perfect)

2017-12-19 00:05:33 UTC  

but all our governments day to day software and hardware security is absolutely atrocious

2017-12-19 00:05:56 UTC  

you can walk into practically any office and take over their network within seconds

2017-12-19 00:06:22 UTC  

wait what!?

2017-12-19 00:07:04 UTC  

well, they have exposed wifi networks, all computers are accessible over the counters with exposed USB ports

2017-12-19 00:07:20 UTC  

all employees use their own phones on internal networks

2017-12-19 00:07:49 UTC  

wow

2017-12-19 00:07:57 UTC  

how do you know all of this?

2017-12-19 00:08:01 UTC  

watching news?

2017-12-19 00:08:09 UTC  

people tell you stories?

2017-12-19 00:08:13 UTC  

no, I haven't had a plugged in TV for 20 years, I never watch local news

2017-12-19 00:09:07 UTC  

I'm not sure what to say except I've done it, both legally and illegally

2017-12-19 00:09:25 UTC  

lol

2017-12-19 00:09:32 UTC  

the illegal way was me and a friend distributed fake USB drives at a local political conference

2017-12-19 00:09:40 UTC  

with custom stickers on them

2017-12-19 00:09:43 UTC  

**NORWEGIAN HACKERS**

2017-12-19 00:09:57 UTC  

the legal way was penetration testing hiring

2017-12-19 00:10:33 UTC  

as for the wifi and exposed USB ports, anyone can see that if you just walk into an office

2017-12-19 00:10:46 UTC  

are people aware about how crap it is or?

2017-12-19 00:11:20 UTC  

well, certainly IT people are aware

2017-12-19 00:12:58 UTC  

it has gotten better the past 10 years or so

2017-12-19 00:13:55 UTC  

and again, at a national defense level, it's much better, and there are competent people operating the backbone routers and such

2017-12-19 00:14:19 UTC  

how is it compared to sweden and danemark?

2017-12-19 00:14:43 UTC  

I'd imagine it's pretty much the same in the whole world except the US

2017-12-19 00:15:03 UTC  

and possibly israel