what I said is "the people who got doxxed should've known better, they've clearly put their information in an unsecure location"

No

you interpreted that

yes, that's why I used the word "essentially"

and "what you said implies"

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what is that, a deep frying basket? :P

dox = morally grey then I guess

no no, I don't think so at all

ok

sure

Can you even sue for that!?

"Kaspersky Lab, a massive, Russian cybersecurity company, sued the Trump administration in U.S. federal court on Monday, arguing that the American government deprived it of due process rights when Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke banned its software from U.S. government agencies in September.
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Not even banning to private citizens

THEY'RE JUST BANNING FROM GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

well, it's a very complicated case, so it's right of them to sue for it at least

tbh I've never heard of Kaspersky

but my immediate reaction is that the administration is obviously allowed to do this

The government can say "No Coca-Cola allowed in government agencies"

yes but the problem is that someone, somewhere, has accused Kaspersky of essentially being a front for Putin

so some people in the government has picked up on this

“The case against Kaspersky is well-documented and deeply concerning. This law is long overdue,” said Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen.

they should of said, "Kaspersky is worse than that cancer McAfee"

and she is mistaken, it's not well-documented at all

I agree

and I agree that they should be able to just say "we'd rather use american products", or "go fuck yourself"

I'd make the arguement that most anti-virus products are crap

you'd be correct

Would this scenario even happen in norway?

well, we're in a weird situation, because we have a decent IT security team at the national level, and decent governing regulations for what companies are allowed to do etc (though obviously not perfect)

but all our governments day to day software and hardware security is absolutely atrocious

you can walk into practically any office and take over their network within seconds

wait what!?

well, they have exposed wifi networks, all computers are accessible over the counters with exposed USB ports

all employees use their own phones on internal networks

wow

how do you know all of this?

watching news?

people tell you stories?

no, I haven't had a plugged in TV for 20 years, I never watch local news

I'm not sure what to say except I've done it, both legally and illegally