I prefer to call it racial self-determination of sovereignty, but flourishing works too.

The existing ethnostate groups (League of the South, Northwest Front) don't have good records. If a new group rose that could only be a good thing, but it benefits IE and everyone for IE to not be too entangled in such a group.

@Ald given that things are how they are, we are working towards a better country for white people in the ways we can, and discussing ethnostates would set us back

Not really though? The fact the word ethnostate is even in the political vocabulary now is a victory

@Ald I disagree with that, it's in the voccabulary for hostile media to whip out and scare possible allies away from us

The media is blind. A lot of people hear their rhetoric and think the opposite. Even normies.

Well are we trying to accomplish something or be non threatening?

Advocating for white interests has a nice ring to it. I think that's what AmRen terms there work.

We're trying to accomplish things and we're definitely not trying to threaten anyone

What about the guys we really want to whom ethnostate sounds appealing? Who do they join? Idiot wn 1.0 type groups?

@Ald they need to do some introspection on what they really want. if they want to live in fantasy land then they shouldn't join IE

I joined IE because I see it as the most plausible vehicle for the existence and flourishing of our people, which in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity

We should have various side projects at various levels of Overton-pushing that seem unaffiliated with IE.

@Ald I would say they can join IE, but they have to portray us a certain way publicly

"I joined IE because I see it as the most plausible vehicle for the existence and flourishing of our people, which in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity" it's this "in the end necessitates absolute homogeneity" that I don't see @Ald why?

I just see it as different jobs. IE is building community and support networks, helping members grow, doing service and impactful demonstrations. Ans waking white people up.

A different group, well run by responsible leaders, COULD run an ethnostate promoting group. But IE and such a group BENEFIT MORE from not being intertwined.

@dudelsäcke interesting idea and one for the future, at the moment we really need to work on building up IE

True

Because an ethnostate group would benefit from IE's success. And IE can more easily succeed if not tied to an ethnostate

But they don’t have to be full on rallies or anything. A Twitter here, a podcast there. IE members do that stuff anyway

Too late though, right?

@dudelsäcke anything that can't be linked to IE through your identity or any other chain is your own business. I know I have anonymous twitter account so I don't have to worry about speaking as an IE member. Not that I sperg out but I wouldn't want to present something as being said by an IE member without it being approved by leadership anyway

Still

@ThisIsChris wellll I don't think that's entirely true

If someone was found saying something super depraved, they'd probably have action taken against them even if it wasn't tied to IE

Well, we don’t want to push the Overton window that far anyway. LOL

@Jacob true

@ThisIsChris Wellbeing in any sense that makes, well, sense, implies a range of minimal and maximal wellbeing. What is your idea of maximal wellbeing if not a place by and for us and us alone for our interests alone

That's my last word on it

@Nemets What do you think we should replace capitalism with?

@Ald Say you want to build a rocketship (ethnostate).
How can you do that without lots of educated engineers (awakened whites?)
IE isnthe first year engineering class.

@Nemets So socialism?

I completely agree with that @Wood-Ape - OK/MN

huh

I mean it's not a bad thing if it's socialism

Sounds familiar

I'm all for socialism

@Nemets, how did you learn so much about Africa?

Wow

I really need to read more

@Ald In <#371705962224025610> we have the document "values before policy". My idea of the maximal wellbeing is one of changing our values and our culture. Reasoning is downstream from values, politics is downstream from culture. We've had ethnostates in the past and it didn't save us from where we are now because we lost the culture. We can't choose for ourselves because our values changed. My ideal is that our values and culture are in the right place. If that's the case we will outlast many iterations of ethnostates (as Europeans did for millenia). The political policies we advocate today are more importantly a device for us to communicate to the world the result of our values and the culture we want to instill. If someone asks why we want reduced immigration, it's because that policy reflects our values. If someone asks why we want to fight heroin and opioid use, it's because that policy reflects our beliefs. Explicit policy positions are an artistic expression of the values and culture we believe in.