https://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

@NightOwl That's subjective.

so?

this has some good explanations but i do not totally agree

That's a really minor advantage versus the enormous disadvantage of denying rights to millions of people

The American constitution can have its amendments changed with enough votes, no?

what is with the strawmaning? @Deleted User

in the words of stratocracy "indentured servitude isn't morally wrong"

wut

@radeon Who says they want those rights?

And which don't they have?

@Deleted User how is that a strawman?

Yea you just confirmed you don't understand what rights are

the amendments by definition are changes to the constituion

Because you still act like they are granted to you and not intrinsic

@radeon implying a neocon knows what rights are

None of us are advocating for stripping natural rights from people

You guys are arguing over semantics

No, just legal rights, which is still illiberal and moronic

@radeon How about you go educate yourself on 'citizenship' and 'citizens duties'

I'm sayig "Let people opt out"

How about we violate nobody's rights except those who have individually forfeited them?

No one's rights are being violated

citizens benefit from being a part of the state, non citizens don't. the argument here is what constitutes citizenship.

even non citizens benifit

from the relative peace of having a state system

Everyone gets RIGHTS

Only citizens get PRIVLEGES.

^

And privelges come with a cost

this is according to ideology not what is actually being practiced.

correct

except for green card holders

Why give anyone rights when you give no one rights and give the ruling class privleges?

permanent residents have to contribute or they can lose that status

I would argue that they contribute by paying taxes

Actually, this might solve the open borders issue as well

Again you are basing this on your opinion. I sound like a broken record. You have nothing concrete to show us evidence for any one of your numerous assumption-based policies. You know none of this. You don't have an argument as to why people who don't "serve" shouldn't be allowed to have their say about the state that they have to live in. You don't know that creating an aristrocratic citizen class will improve anything. This is just opinions, bad ones at that.

@radeon I said this already

pay attention

You need to understand that the point of democracy is not to serve ***you***.

Yeah, no shit