Message from @Deleted User

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2018-04-03 03:05:31 UTC  

That isn't based on a pre-determined goal based on personal opinions*

2018-04-03 03:05:36 UTC  

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

Most modern nations are democratic republics with a constitution, which can be amended by a popularly elected government. This comparison therefore contrasts the form of government in most countries today with a theoretical construct of a "pure democracy", mainly to highlight the features of a republic.

2018-04-03 03:05:37 UTC  

@radeon Also, you realize that in a stratocracy, career politicians wouldn't really exist

2018-04-03 03:05:52 UTC  

If everyone were just slaves to the state, no problems would exist

2018-04-03 03:06:14 UTC  

apart from the fact everyone would be a slave

2018-04-03 03:06:31 UTC  

@NightOwl That's subjective.

2018-04-03 03:06:37 UTC  

so?

2018-04-03 03:06:44 UTC  

this has some good explanations but i do not totally agree

2018-04-03 03:06:45 UTC  

That's a really minor advantage versus the enormous disadvantage of denying rights to millions of people

2018-04-03 03:06:46 UTC  

The American constitution can have its amendments changed with enough votes, no?

2018-04-03 03:07:00 UTC  

what is with the strawmaning? @Deleted User

2018-04-03 03:07:01 UTC  

in the words of stratocracy "indentured servitude isn't morally wrong"

2018-04-03 03:07:01 UTC  

wut

2018-04-03 03:07:09 UTC  

@radeon Who says they want those rights?

2018-04-03 03:07:15 UTC  

And which don't they have?

2018-04-03 03:07:16 UTC  

@Deleted User how is that a strawman?

2018-04-03 03:07:30 UTC  

Yea you just confirmed you don't understand what rights are

2018-04-03 03:07:34 UTC  

the amendments by definition are changes to the constituion

2018-04-03 03:07:45 UTC  

Because you still act like they are granted to you and not intrinsic

2018-04-03 03:08:03 UTC  

@radeon implying a neocon knows what rights are

2018-04-03 03:08:10 UTC  

None of us are advocating for stripping natural rights from people

2018-04-03 03:08:24 UTC  

You guys are arguing over semantics

2018-04-03 03:08:38 UTC  

No, just legal rights, which is still illiberal and moronic

2018-04-03 03:09:08 UTC  

@radeon How about you go educate yourself on 'citizenship' and 'citizens duties'

2018-04-03 03:09:22 UTC  

I'm sayig "Let people opt out"

2018-04-03 03:09:23 UTC  

How about we violate nobody's rights except those who have individually forfeited them?

2018-04-03 03:09:35 UTC  

No one's rights are being violated

2018-04-03 03:09:43 UTC  

citizens benefit from being a part of the state, non citizens don't. the argument here is what constitutes citizenship.

2018-04-03 03:10:04 UTC  

even non citizens benifit

2018-04-03 03:10:24 UTC  

from the relative peace of having a state system

2018-04-03 03:10:36 UTC  

Everyone gets RIGHTS

Only citizens get PRIVLEGES.

2018-04-03 03:10:46 UTC  

^

2018-04-03 03:10:52 UTC  

And privelges come with a cost

2018-04-03 03:11:48 UTC  

this is according to ideology not what is actually being practiced.

2018-04-03 03:11:54 UTC  

correct

2018-04-03 03:12:04 UTC  

except for green card holders

2018-04-03 03:12:21 UTC  

Why give anyone rights when you give no one rights and give the ruling class privleges?

2018-04-03 03:12:37 UTC  

permanent residents have to contribute or they can lose that status

2018-04-03 03:13:12 UTC  

I would argue that they contribute by paying taxes

2018-04-03 03:13:17 UTC  

Actually, this might solve the open borders issue as well