No, just legal rights, which is still illiberal and moronic

@radeon How about you go educate yourself on 'citizenship' and 'citizens duties'

I'm sayig "Let people opt out"

How about we violate nobody's rights except those who have individually forfeited them?

No one's rights are being violated

citizens benefit from being a part of the state, non citizens don't. the argument here is what constitutes citizenship.

even non citizens benifit

from the relative peace of having a state system

Everyone gets RIGHTS

Only citizens get PRIVLEGES.

^

And privelges come with a cost

this is according to ideology not what is actually being practiced.

correct

except for green card holders

Why give anyone rights when you give no one rights and give the ruling class privleges?

permanent residents have to contribute or they can lose that status

I would argue that they contribute by paying taxes

Actually, this might solve the open borders issue as well

Again you are basing this on your opinion. I sound like a broken record. You have nothing concrete to show us evidence for any one of your numerous assumption-based policies. You know none of this. You don't have an argument as to why people who don't "serve" shouldn't be allowed to have their say about the state that they have to live in. You don't know that creating an aristrocratic citizen class will improve anything. This is just opinions, bad ones at that.

@radeon I said this already

pay attention

You need to understand that the point of democracy is not to serve ***you***.

Yeah, no shit

that is why we are not a democracy

The US is actually a Republic. It is governed by rule of law. The elected are bound by oath to the written governing limits (ie constitution) yet vote "together" and create laws to address concerns of the represented in a democratic way

He's asking you for evidence to back up your opinions

lol

Democracy is to serve the interests of everyone who lives under the state, even when that conflicts with your agenda.

Yes which is retarded

@radeon That's why we're not a democracy

unless it protects the minority individual rights

which is what a republic does

https://www.us-immigration.com/us-immigration-news/us-immigration/understanding-the-oath-of-allegiance/

You're doing the political theory equivilent of deleting twitter polls when the outcome runs counter to your ideology and then saying it got brigaded.

who is?

da fuq?

all interests cant be served at the same time radeon

through representation

No but that doesn't mean we must serve the interests of an entitled minority.

A voluntary minority

Anyone can be in it free of charge