Message from @Fitzydog

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2018-04-03 03:05:36 UTC  

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

Most modern nations are democratic republics with a constitution, which can be amended by a popularly elected government. This comparison therefore contrasts the form of government in most countries today with a theoretical construct of a "pure democracy", mainly to highlight the features of a republic.

2018-04-03 03:05:37 UTC  

@radeon Also, you realize that in a stratocracy, career politicians wouldn't really exist

2018-04-03 03:05:52 UTC  

If everyone were just slaves to the state, no problems would exist

2018-04-03 03:06:14 UTC  

apart from the fact everyone would be a slave

2018-04-03 03:06:31 UTC  

@NightOwl That's subjective.

2018-04-03 03:06:37 UTC  

so?

2018-04-03 03:06:44 UTC  

this has some good explanations but i do not totally agree

2018-04-03 03:06:45 UTC  

That's a really minor advantage versus the enormous disadvantage of denying rights to millions of people

2018-04-03 03:06:46 UTC  

The American constitution can have its amendments changed with enough votes, no?

2018-04-03 03:07:00 UTC  

what is with the strawmaning? @Deleted User

2018-04-03 03:07:01 UTC  

in the words of stratocracy "indentured servitude isn't morally wrong"

2018-04-03 03:07:01 UTC  

wut

2018-04-03 03:07:09 UTC  

@radeon Who says they want those rights?

2018-04-03 03:07:15 UTC  

And which don't they have?

2018-04-03 03:07:16 UTC  

@Deleted User how is that a strawman?

2018-04-03 03:07:30 UTC  

Yea you just confirmed you don't understand what rights are

2018-04-03 03:07:34 UTC  

the amendments by definition are changes to the constituion

2018-04-03 03:07:45 UTC  

Because you still act like they are granted to you and not intrinsic

2018-04-03 03:08:03 UTC  

@radeon implying a neocon knows what rights are

2018-04-03 03:08:10 UTC  

None of us are advocating for stripping natural rights from people

2018-04-03 03:08:24 UTC  

You guys are arguing over semantics

2018-04-03 03:08:38 UTC  

No, just legal rights, which is still illiberal and moronic

2018-04-03 03:09:08 UTC  

@radeon How about you go educate yourself on 'citizenship' and 'citizens duties'

2018-04-03 03:09:22 UTC  

I'm sayig "Let people opt out"

2018-04-03 03:09:23 UTC  

How about we violate nobody's rights except those who have individually forfeited them?

2018-04-03 03:09:35 UTC  

No one's rights are being violated

2018-04-03 03:09:43 UTC  

citizens benefit from being a part of the state, non citizens don't. the argument here is what constitutes citizenship.

2018-04-03 03:10:04 UTC  

even non citizens benifit

2018-04-03 03:10:24 UTC  

from the relative peace of having a state system

2018-04-03 03:10:36 UTC  

Everyone gets RIGHTS

Only citizens get PRIVLEGES.

2018-04-03 03:10:46 UTC  

^

2018-04-03 03:10:52 UTC  

And privelges come with a cost

2018-04-03 03:11:48 UTC  

this is according to ideology not what is actually being practiced.

2018-04-03 03:11:54 UTC  

correct

2018-04-03 03:12:04 UTC  

except for green card holders

2018-04-03 03:12:21 UTC  

Why give anyone rights when you give no one rights and give the ruling class privleges?

2018-04-03 03:12:37 UTC  

permanent residents have to contribute or they can lose that status

2018-04-03 03:13:12 UTC  

I would argue that they contribute by paying taxes

2018-04-03 03:13:17 UTC  

Actually, this might solve the open borders issue as well

2018-04-03 03:13:24 UTC  

Again you are basing this on your opinion. I sound like a broken record. You have nothing concrete to show us evidence for any one of your numerous assumption-based policies. You know none of this. You don't have an argument as to why people who don't "serve" shouldn't be allowed to have their say about the state that they have to live in. You don't know that creating an aristrocratic citizen class will improve anything. This is just opinions, bad ones at that.