Message from @Baraban

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2018-04-18 12:42:23 UTC  

And that's becuase it sits well with human psychology

2018-04-18 12:42:34 UTC  

it's a system that arises on it's own, like natural selection

2018-04-18 12:43:01 UTC  

Yes. Because it's based on human nature

2018-04-18 12:44:16 UTC  

somewhat

2018-04-18 12:45:37 UTC  

it's human nature to want to survive, so a system where we can obtain resources without putting ourselves in physical danger is obviously more appealing.

2018-04-18 12:45:44 UTC  

I dont like this line of argument that it's based on human nature

2018-04-18 12:45:50 UTC  

I think it's a bad argument

2018-04-18 12:46:02 UTC  

especially in regards to property rights

2018-04-18 12:47:03 UTC  

property rights and capitalism is a new phenomena in regards to the existence of humans

Mate this Private Company is actuallly a Public Park, you fucking Capitalist

2018-04-18 12:48:39 UTC  

Humans are both selfish and competitive in nature. Capitalism takes that and uses it for the benefit of everyone.

2018-04-18 12:50:16 UTC  

you can attribute certain aspects of human nature to socialism

2018-04-18 12:50:23 UTC  

it doesnt mean them of nature

2018-04-18 12:50:40 UTC  

Life and Liberty are natural rights

2018-04-18 12:50:45 UTC  

property is not a natural right

2018-04-18 12:51:09 UTC  

you have to fight for both though

2018-04-18 12:51:57 UTC  

government is there to keep things civil, but other than that, it's all the same

2018-04-18 12:52:13 UTC  

In a world where the government doesn't exist, you can still own property. It is a natural right

2018-04-18 12:52:27 UTC  

But that's not the reason it's a good idea

2018-04-18 12:52:45 UTC  

It's because it really goes well with the human nature

2018-04-18 12:52:50 UTC  

It just does

2018-04-18 12:52:53 UTC  

In a world without a government you can own slaves, it doesnt make it a natural right

2018-04-18 12:53:18 UTC  

just because you can practice something without government, it doesnt mean it's a natural right

2018-04-18 12:53:41 UTC  

well it's going against someone else's natural right

2018-04-18 12:54:18 UTC  

Only if we agreed to make that a right, And typically your rights don't hurt other people, owning slaves does hurt other people - so no

2018-04-18 12:55:26 UTC  

It goes well with human nature as far as it is a good mechanism to maximize survival

2018-04-18 12:55:42 UTC  

it's not that complicated

2018-04-18 12:56:01 UTC  

I dont think it needs to go any deeper into psychology to explain it

2018-04-18 12:56:18 UTC  

that's not what it means

2018-04-18 12:56:26 UTC  

natural rights are independent of government

2018-04-18 12:56:40 UTC  

you tried to argue if something exists without government it that of nature

2018-04-18 12:56:46 UTC  

im telling you that's not correct

2018-04-18 12:56:53 UTC  

So are property rights

2018-04-18 12:57:09 UTC  

They are independent of the government

2018-04-18 12:57:11 UTC  

a natural right has to be independent. Property is not.

2018-04-18 12:57:16 UTC  

it is

2018-04-18 12:57:19 UTC  

it is

2018-04-18 12:57:49 UTC  

That's why I said in a world with no government

2018-04-18 12:58:15 UTC  

why do you think life liberty and property was adapted to life liberty and pursuit of happiness

2018-04-18 12:58:22 UTC  

I get you've read Lockes wiki entry

2018-04-18 12:58:28 UTC  

but it's not what is meant