Message from @Baraban
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you have to fight for both though
government is there to keep things civil, but other than that, it's all the same
In a world where the government doesn't exist, you can still own property. It is a natural right
But that's not the reason it's a good idea
It's because it really goes well with the human nature
It just does
In a world without a government you can own slaves, it doesnt make it a natural right
just because you can practice something without government, it doesnt mean it's a natural right
well it's going against someone else's natural right
Only if we agreed to make that a right, And typically your rights don't hurt other people, owning slaves does hurt other people - so no
It goes well with human nature as far as it is a good mechanism to maximize survival
it's not that complicated
I dont think it needs to go any deeper into psychology to explain it
that's not what it means
natural rights are independent of government
you tried to argue if something exists without government it that of nature
im telling you that's not correct
So are property rights
They are independent of the government
a natural right has to be independent. Property is not.
it is
That's why I said in a world with no government
why do you think life liberty and property was adapted to life liberty and pursuit of happiness
I get you've read Lockes wiki entry
but it's not what is meant
I don't know what that is
you are your own property, and things that are an extension of yourself for the benefit of your survival is also your property.
you dont know who John Locke is
?
that is natural
No
you're arguing about natural rights and you dont know who john locke is?
....
lol, what an argument
Rights make sense, I don't need to no who that guy is to defend property rights
you mean you can work things out for yourself?
shocking
I find it shocking that you dont know who he is, yes
I get "insperations" from some poeple but yeah
and you're talking about natural rights