mera when you say "Russia asked the US to come over and analyze what went wrong with their economy after the USSR fell, and it was found that they were operating something like at half the economic strength." surely there is a specific part of the document that backs up that claim

i said that eastern bloc countries grew faster than capitalist countries on average

Is it an arguement of growth?

according to what crude propaganda?

I was couldn’t remember what exactly number were, so I said that to bring attention to it assuming you would ask for the source, which I provided.

if they grew faster, they would have overtaken capitalist countries. They didn't.

Such a worldview should have shattered long ago, why are you clinging to it?

plenty of "experts" were not even the slightest bit critical of data coming out of the USSR. It's like they never knew propaganda was an actual thing.

I'm pretty pro-capitalist in a lot of ways, but the speed of growth if a stupid argument :/ I don't get what you are arguing about.

and people regurgitate the same tired nonsense to this day

if anyone points out a flaw in their logic, they bury you in old propaganda and gish-gallop away

no wonder people grow tired of talking to someone like that

they are the ones who brought economic growth up

when you point out the horrors that stupid socialist policies lead to, the millions of deaths, it's whataboutism instantly to preserve the delusion.

muh millions of deaths

socialism is religious faith

and you're a fanatic

Vers how is that funny?

why do these deaths constitute an indictment of socialism yet the far higher death toll of capitalism does not

it's funny cuz that wasn't real socialism duh

nice meme

that's you in a nutshell

how

your entire movement is a joke

how is that me

"muh millions of deaths"

nice

you're such a great person

we should all strive to be like you

yes why does that count as an indictment of socialism

when the death toll of capitalism is far higher

and adopt your ideology, to become enlightened

@Mal Trying to use moral argument againts a Tankie
wew

it's funny how you see an argument, and I see an easy target <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

they paint themselves as horrid people, I just need to poke them in the right place

I actually don't like socialism that much, but it has some okay ideas (in small doses)... Marxism? Erg... Socialism is still shite, but refined it. But I think reading through different political ideas can be befinifical.

no point in trying to convince them

i mean it's funny you're saying it's like a religious faith when i am the one making arguments based off of empirical data

it's like dealing with religious people. If any kind of argument worked, it wouldn't exist.

and you're spouting memes about "not real socialism xD"

you're regurgitating propaganda without the slightest bit of source criticism