Message from @banestrum

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2018-04-27 18:26:14 UTC  

Reportedly it's because they actually want the kid to die because

1) the kid is braindead
2) the kid should not be allowed to live because he is suffering pain

2018-04-27 18:26:20 UTC  

Which... is an interesting combination

2018-04-27 18:26:21 UTC  

I legitimately do not believe they are just doing this with no justification, SOMEONE in the government would have said "hey, have we made a press release or something explaining our position?"

2018-04-27 18:27:02 UTC  

I get their argument about it not being cost efficient to spend state money on a lost cause, but the second one isn't something that governments usually give a shit about

2018-04-27 18:27:06 UTC  

```O’Sullivan, who is British, points out that in the UK, The NHS and the UK courts have declared that his is a life unworthy of life.```

2018-04-27 18:27:09 UTC  

Like, that's not their territory

2018-04-27 18:27:16 UTC  

I thought euthanasia was illegal, but there y'go

2018-04-27 18:28:13 UTC  

```Before the removal of the ventilator people began praying for Alfie to breathe on his own.

The physicians said he would suffocate in 15 minutes. He lasted 12 hours. At which point, the physician at Alder Hey were forced to restore ventilation and hydration.```

2018-04-27 18:28:27 UTC  

Statists are probably going to dismiss people who want to keep Alfie alive as religious kooks

2018-04-27 18:28:36 UTC  

And there certainly are plenty of people doing the whole 'it's a miracle' thing

2018-04-27 18:28:41 UTC  

But that's irrelevant anyway

2018-04-27 18:29:07 UTC  

Because the parents *should be allowed to take their kid elsewhere for treatment by another facility that is willing to provide it*

2018-04-27 18:29:29 UTC  

They're doing the complete *opposite* of child abuse and the state is still intervening

2018-04-27 18:29:29 UTC  

Yeah, that's the point where they objectively have no legal right to intervene

2018-04-27 18:30:18 UTC  

If they were serious about their argument that its not cost effective to keep him alive, have the parents reimburse the government. That'd be shitty, but still less inconsistent and absurd than what they're doing now

2018-04-27 18:30:55 UTC  

"kill the boy"

2018-04-27 18:31:00 UTC  

<:high_iq:382980759012638731>

2018-04-27 18:31:31 UTC  

The only arguments I'm seeing are that the kid is already dead because he's in a "semi-vegatative state"

2018-04-27 18:31:48 UTC  

But I don't see how this stacks up with "do not allow the parents to take their own child out of the hospital"

2018-04-27 18:33:32 UTC  

Yeah, all the arguments they're making are inconsistent and have completely changed over time

2018-04-27 18:33:48 UTC  

There has to be more going on with this

2018-04-27 18:34:04 UTC  

Its too stupid in too many ways to be explained solely by bureaucracy

2018-04-27 18:34:58 UTC  

That's literally the case

2018-04-27 18:35:43 UTC  

Ok, it's not a good sign when one of the first google results for the hospital he's at is an organ theft scandal just under 20 years ago that was so bad laws were rewritten

2018-04-27 18:36:04 UTC  

```"We want to kill you. It's in your best interest."```


```"Your child is dead and you want us to pump blood through its corpse."```


```"Your child is dead, we know best; I know we were wrong about the whole unable-to-breathe thing, but trust us on the rest; also we know you've raised over £130,000 for the private treatment of your son and an entirely different nation has offered to help but we won't let you take your child anywhere else anyway and it's not because we'd look fucking terrible if any scenario other than the immediate cessation of all vital organs of your child occurred, especially after all the taxpayer money we've spent in lawyers' fees"```

2018-04-27 18:36:05 UTC  

Organ theft from infants, no less

2018-04-27 18:38:47 UTC  

Refrencing that, btw

2018-04-27 18:38:52 UTC  

Oof

2018-04-27 18:39:14 UTC  

How wide is the crack in your ass? @Reaps

2018-04-27 18:39:54 UTC  

The whole thing's busted, need to replace it

2018-04-27 18:40:15 UTC  

Shitposting in VC, @Deleted User

2018-04-27 18:40:23 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/439496050709889024/l.png

2018-04-27 18:40:54 UTC  

"We should take this baby off of life support because he's suffering whilst on life support"

2018-04-27 18:41:10 UTC  

"yes, we should try asphyxiation and starving him to death, good idea"

2018-04-27 18:41:47 UTC  

That's just euthanizing him without euthanization juice

2018-04-27 18:51:00 UTC  

@Fulcrum010 who’s that guy?

2018-04-27 18:51:12 UTC  

The bullwhip guy

2018-04-27 18:56:45 UTC  
2018-04-27 18:59:36 UTC  

he handled it well at first