Message from @stillgray

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2018-05-07 00:30:08 UTC  

@DanielKO
i guess the biggest problems is how the story changes with the time

2018-05-07 00:30:31 UTC  

Like that thing with the 26 different Qurans, all with enough differences to have theological implications.

2018-05-07 00:30:57 UTC  

it's one of the reasons why i don't exactly trust the bible

2018-05-07 00:31:07 UTC  

Hmmm

2018-05-07 00:31:18 UTC  

I don't think the Bible's transcription errors are as egregious.

2018-05-07 00:31:27 UTC  

As the original's in Greek.

2018-05-07 00:31:36 UTC  

The Bible had been thoroughly analysed to find exactly where and when things changed.

2018-05-07 00:31:44 UTC  

The bible had more emphasis on translation efforts, with multiple parties working on it. Greek isn't that different today than back then

2018-05-07 00:31:47 UTC  

There's some translation issues with idioms and such but nothing big.

2018-05-07 00:32:03 UTC  

The thing is, how many times do you think it has been changed since the first time it was written?

2018-05-07 00:32:05 UTC  

Yeah.

2018-05-07 00:32:28 UTC  

The main message seems to be in there

2018-05-07 00:32:30 UTC  

It's like if you're Icelandic you can read the Eddas verbatim.

2018-05-07 00:32:33 UTC  

Which books are canon and which aren’t?

2018-05-07 00:32:38 UTC  

We found the Dead Sea Scrolls, and those are pretty close to modern day

2018-05-07 00:32:44 UTC  

So, book technology removed the human factor in reviewing the reproduction's correctness.

2018-05-07 00:32:54 UTC  

You know what the problem is with Islam?

2018-05-07 00:33:00 UTC  

Most Muslims can't read Arabic.

2018-05-07 00:33:04 UTC  

lol

2018-05-07 00:33:08 UTC  

The orthodox, Catholics and Protestants all have different canons

2018-05-07 00:33:09 UTC  

They're just told by their Imams what is contained in the book.

2018-05-07 00:33:11 UTC  

Lol

2018-05-07 00:33:14 UTC  

I would have said pedophilia

2018-05-07 00:33:17 UTC  

And what those Imams preach isn't necessarily in the book.

2018-05-07 00:33:25 UTC  

(not that the book is any good, mind you)

2018-05-07 00:33:31 UTC  

The whole Principle of Abrogation makes a lot of things wonky.

2018-05-07 00:33:33 UTC  

@stillgray so basically they’re Catholics pre reformation ?

2018-05-07 00:33:42 UTC  

The book contradicts itself numerous times, but you're supposed to go with the latter contradiction.

2018-05-07 00:33:44 UTC  

Yeah

2018-05-07 00:33:55 UTC  

Imagine if Christians could only read the Bible if they knew Latin.

2018-05-07 00:33:59 UTC  

That's the problem Muslims have.

2018-05-07 00:33:59 UTC  

I guess, muslims are so focused in recording the book, that they take the time to analyze it and interpret it

2018-05-07 00:34:06 UTC  

And the Quran itself tells you nothing about which verses came later.

2018-05-07 00:34:11 UTC  

It's a literacy issue.

2018-05-07 00:34:18 UTC  

> Imagine if Christians could only read the Bible if they knew Latin

So yeah, before Luther translated the thing into German

2018-05-07 00:34:25 UTC  

In some countries, Muslims learn Arabic literacy.

2018-05-07 00:34:34 UTC  

Those countries, surprise surprise, produce far fewer jihadists.

2018-05-07 00:34:46 UTC  

I'm more concerned about what happened prior to the 600s AD

2018-05-07 00:34:49 UTC  

Because they actually know how to read the Hadiths and all the supplementary material.

2018-05-07 00:34:49 UTC  

Hmmm makes you wonder

2018-05-07 00:34:56 UTC  

The stuff moderate Muslims in the 12th century came up with.