I don't think you're an idiot/imbecile/stupid

I retract my statements

syria's political system was actually liberalized a lot in response to the protests

i dunno if there would have been a proper civil war had it not been for western interference

@Baraban had Russia not used their veto power, NATO could have established order in the country and allowed for the people of Syria to decide how they are governed

power hungry islamists knew the west would have their back

The war started way before the west interfered @versterven

the Syrian refugee crisis is a horror show and is not in the best interest of anyone anywhere

it happened within the context of arab spring

@obrallaghan Maybe taking down Assad and than instituting a democratic election would be the vest, but I don't know if NATO would have been able to pool that off

Democracy is very unstable in arab countries

NATO is the largest and most powerful allied force on the planet

Is there any example of a stable arab democracy?

I think they'd be better off with constitutional monarchies

i think democracy works fine, not necessarily liberal democracy

in arab countries

if it was sanctioned by the UN then many nations could contribute to establishing order

@Deleted User Yeah but if the majority of the citizens actually ask for it I don't see why not support them

true

Good point

as opposed to anyone country doing it in their own self interest

But do the majority actually ask for it?

Was a referendum held?

@obrallaghan I know what NATO is, I'm not retarded

I just can't imagine why you'd think they couldn't pull it off if it was truly a joint effort, as opposed to whatever the hell Iraq was

Syria has become a human rights issue

@obrallaghan you just need to look at NATO's track record to see why they couldn't pull it off

You need a lot more than just force to do that

They're toothless

that's what I'm saying, if ever there was a good cause this would be it

this isn't some "war for isreal or oil" like they say about every other conflict

it's a humanitarian issue at this point

The US really never went to a war for Israel, and I kinda doubt they gained nuch oil from any of their wars

It always sounded like bs to me

People like Ryan Dawson say that every war in the middle east was waged for Israel

oooh

this autism

They point out at Jews in the State's security council

Not saying there aren't private intersts involved

I'm not saying I agree with him

I think Dawson is silly