Message from @sbbu

Discord ID: 445233846171074560


2018-05-13 14:30:55 UTC  

I think good works should be encouraged but when Jesus died on the cross, that's what saved us

2018-05-13 14:31:36 UTC  

Catholics do not deny the necessity of belief in Jesus for salvation.

2018-05-13 14:31:53 UTC  

Or really what role works play in salvation.

2018-05-13 14:32:23 UTC  

The fundamental disagreement is that you believe that those who are elect are elect from the moment of regeneration to salvation.

2018-05-13 14:32:49 UTC  

A Catholic holds that those who are elect can lose their salvation by mortal sin

2018-05-13 14:33:00 UTC  

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2018-05-13 14:33:41 UTC  

I would quote Ephesians 2:8,9, I think that the only way you could lose salvation is turning away from God

2018-05-13 14:34:10 UTC  

Is mortal sin not turning from God?

2018-05-13 14:34:59 UTC  

If we sin we ask for forgiveness

2018-05-13 14:35:28 UTC  

I see, so you would have to have those sins forgiven before being able to once again attain salvation

2018-05-13 14:35:39 UTC  

Is this your view?

2018-05-13 14:35:48 UTC  

Because if it is, that is the Catholic position.

2018-05-13 14:36:24 UTC  

But my disagreement with the Catholic position is that you need to do good works

2018-05-13 14:36:52 UTC  

Well, you have to be a virtuous person in addition to having faith to be saved

2018-05-13 14:37:03 UTC  

We both agreed you cannot turn away from God an be saved

2018-05-13 14:37:11 UTC  

Therefore you must be virtuous to be saved.

2018-05-13 14:37:30 UTC  

This necessarily includes doing the will of the Father

2018-05-13 14:37:47 UTC  

Matthew 7:21

2018-05-13 14:38:01 UTC  

He who enters the kingdom of heaven is he who does the will of the Father

2018-05-13 14:38:39 UTC  

Good works should be encouraged, but the Bible says that it is by grace that you have been saved, not works

2018-05-13 14:40:20 UTC  

fellas what order should i read the bible in

2018-05-13 14:40:22 UTC  

first timer

2018-05-13 14:40:57 UTC  

Read the Talmud

2018-05-13 14:42:09 UTC  

Joking aside, just start with the old testament and go to the new testament after

2018-05-13 14:43:27 UTC  

hmm ok

2018-05-13 14:43:40 UTC  

i heard youre not supposed to just read it cover to cover though

2018-05-13 14:44:29 UTC  

That means that you should understand what it's trying to say rather than just reading it as fast as you can

2018-05-13 14:45:46 UTC  

I don't want to read the old testament

2018-05-13 14:45:51 UTC  

😨

2018-05-13 14:48:05 UTC  

Do it Nicker 🔫

2018-05-13 14:49:38 UTC  

The Bible isn't 1 book, It's 66 books in one cover. Focus on reading and understanding (not just running your eyeballs over the words) one book at a time, starting with Genesis.

2018-05-13 14:54:09 UTC  

guys whats the name of the political betting site again

2018-05-13 14:55:04 UTC  

NO GAMBLING

2018-05-13 14:55:33 UTC  

im trying to remember what its called

2018-05-13 14:55:50 UTC  

Betdsi

2018-05-13 15:13:46 UTC  

Happy mother's day go harass a single mom

2018-05-13 15:14:48 UTC  

I will

2018-05-13 15:24:31 UTC  

It's all so tiresome

2018-05-13 15:24:46 UTC  

It's all so tiresome

2018-05-13 15:25:40 UTC  

predictit