Message from @Onyxdood

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2018-09-10 03:08:39 UTC  

Or an outside state to do so

2018-09-10 03:09:06 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Every modern person in the west already abides by the NAP, tbh.

2018-09-10 03:09:21 UTC  

Because there is a state enforcing it.

2018-09-10 03:09:31 UTC  

^

2018-09-10 03:09:36 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki That's the same logic that God is why people are moral

2018-09-10 03:09:42 UTC  

I agree with a outside state, but someone simply buying a huge would be stopped before it got out of hand.

2018-09-10 03:09:43 UTC  

Wrong

2018-09-10 03:10:16 UTC  

The state holds the monopoly of power, so protects the peoples property rights and so on. When a state doesnt you have essentially mexico, with cartels running things

2018-09-10 03:10:22 UTC  

Either in shadows, or directly

2018-09-10 03:10:27 UTC  

The state is the exact opposite of the NAP

2018-09-10 03:10:58 UTC  

The state hardly does anything to protect your property, in a practical day-to-day sense. You do

2018-09-10 03:11:45 UTC  

Wrong, the state holds laws that protect your right to personal property

2018-09-10 03:11:58 UTC  

While also violating the same rights

2018-09-10 03:11:59 UTC  

If your home is broken into, the police investigate and so on.

2018-09-10 03:12:22 UTC  

If you say 'Taxes are a violation of property' grow up

2018-09-10 03:12:22 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But in the end, it's not the laws that *prevent* damage or theft of your property. It's YOU and your actions.

2018-09-10 03:12:35 UTC  

Actually it is laws to prevent

2018-09-10 03:12:37 UTC  

Have you never heard of eminent domain?

2018-09-10 03:12:40 UTC  

As a deterrant

2018-09-10 03:13:17 UTC  

Eminent Domain requires a payment for such, of equal value

2018-09-10 03:13:28 UTC  

I would also appreciate if we don't attack each other with insults

2018-09-10 03:13:40 UTC  

@Onyxdood Ehh, that's debateable as to how well laws work as a deterrent. I'd say you and your firearm at home do more than the police ever do.

2018-09-10 03:13:41 UTC  

I have heard of eminent domain, and believe it should be more limited

2018-09-10 03:14:12 UTC  

^ Yes, and the powers of such is highly limited by the constitution and Legal President

2018-09-10 03:14:19 UTC  

Precident*

2018-09-10 03:14:32 UTC  

Also, a whole nother discussion lol

2018-09-10 03:14:36 UTC  

The same legal Powers have been slowly but surely expanding over the course of hundreds of years

2018-09-10 03:14:46 UTC  

As is the nature of the state

2018-09-10 03:15:28 UTC  

And the people keep the state in check, its all check and balances all the way down.

2018-09-10 03:15:44 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But, to explore your question: How are local police paid with property taxes municipally, not an extension of the NAP?

2018-09-10 03:16:04 UTC  

I never said it wasn't.
I said NAP ONLY works with State enforcement

2018-09-10 03:16:17 UTC  

They'll always come a point where the state cannot be checked by people

2018-09-10 03:16:37 UTC  

Maybe in one without the express set up like the US

2018-09-10 03:17:10 UTC  

Then how do we ask the people keep something like the NSA in check?

2018-09-10 03:17:15 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki I might concede to a middle ground of: The NAP can only work if there's a monopoly on the law system

2018-09-10 03:17:16 UTC  

To many clauses and releifs to the people.

But again, I prefer that to say, Cartel rulership

2018-09-10 03:17:41 UTC  

@Onyxdood Whissle blowers

2018-09-10 03:17:43 UTC  

@Fitzydog And who holds the monopoly?

2018-09-10 03:18:06 UTC  

@zoopokemon and where is Edward Snowden at now?

2018-09-10 03:18:06 UTC  

Whissle Blowers into the Court systems. @Onyxdood

2018-09-10 03:18:07 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki idk, at that point you might as well call that monopoly a 'state' for all I care lol