Wrong

The state holds the monopoly of power, so protects the peoples property rights and so on. When a state doesnt you have essentially mexico, with cartels running things

Either in shadows, or directly

The state is the exact opposite of the NAP

The state hardly does anything to protect your property, in a practical day-to-day sense. You do

Wrong, the state holds laws that protect your right to personal property

While also violating the same rights

If your home is broken into, the police investigate and so on.

If you say 'Taxes are a violation of property' grow up

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But in the end, it's not the laws that *prevent* damage or theft of your property. It's YOU and your actions.

Actually it is laws to prevent

Have you never heard of eminent domain?

As a deterrant

Eminent Domain requires a payment for such, of equal value

I would also appreciate if we don't attack each other with insults

@Onyxdood Ehh, that's debateable as to how well laws work as a deterrent. I'd say you and your firearm at home do more than the police ever do.

I have heard of eminent domain, and believe it should be more limited

^ Yes, and the powers of such is highly limited by the constitution and Legal President

Precident*

Also, a whole nother discussion lol

The same legal Powers have been slowly but surely expanding over the course of hundreds of years

As is the nature of the state

And the people keep the state in check, its all check and balances all the way down.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But, to explore your question: How are local police paid with property taxes municipally, not an extension of the NAP?

I never said it wasn't.
I said NAP ONLY works with State enforcement

They'll always come a point where the state cannot be checked by people

Maybe in one without the express set up like the US

Then how do we ask the people keep something like the NSA in check?

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki I might concede to a middle ground of: The NAP can only work if there's a monopoly on the law system

To many clauses and releifs to the people.

But again, I prefer that to say, Cartel rulership

@Onyxdood Whissle blowers

@Fitzydog And who holds the monopoly?

@zoopokemon and where is Edward Snowden at now?

Whissle Blowers into the Court systems. @Onyxdood

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki idk, at that point you might as well call that monopoly a 'state' for all I care lol

You realize there are hundreds of other whistleblowers all the time. All don't end up like Snowden, who prolly did it as stupid as possible.

And then more or less defected.

And yet the NSA is still here

The NSA won't go anywhere, but they were driven back some on powers.

Again, Snowden didn't do it correctly. Correctly would have been going to a court with the same security clearances or congress. NSA falls under the Executive Branch. Judicial and Legislative are there to check the Executive. If you spill secrets like he did, there are laws about the handling of information.

Dude wasn't even smart enough to do it annonymously

My immediate question would be then why hasn't the Supreme Court ruled the NSA unconstitutional