Message from @Fitzydog
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If you say 'Taxes are a violation of property' grow up
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But in the end, it's not the laws that *prevent* damage or theft of your property. It's YOU and your actions.
Actually it is laws to prevent
Have you never heard of eminent domain?
As a deterrant
Eminent Domain requires a payment for such, of equal value
I would also appreciate if we don't attack each other with insults
@Onyxdood Ehh, that's debateable as to how well laws work as a deterrent. I'd say you and your firearm at home do more than the police ever do.
I have heard of eminent domain, and believe it should be more limited
^ Yes, and the powers of such is highly limited by the constitution and Legal President
Precident*
Also, a whole nother discussion lol
The same legal Powers have been slowly but surely expanding over the course of hundreds of years
As is the nature of the state
And the people keep the state in check, its all check and balances all the way down.
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But, to explore your question: How are local police paid with property taxes municipally, not an extension of the NAP?
I never said it wasn't.
I said NAP ONLY works with State enforcement
They'll always come a point where the state cannot be checked by people
Maybe in one without the express set up like the US
Then how do we ask the people keep something like the NSA in check?
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki I might concede to a middle ground of: The NAP can only work if there's a monopoly on the law system
To many clauses and releifs to the people.
But again, I prefer that to say, Cartel rulership
@Onyxdood Whissle blowers
@Fitzydog And who holds the monopoly?
@zoopokemon and where is Edward Snowden at now?
Whissle Blowers into the Court systems. @Onyxdood
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki idk, at that point you might as well call that monopoly a 'state' for all I care lol
You realize there are hundreds of other whistleblowers all the time. All don't end up like Snowden, who prolly did it as stupid as possible.
And then more or less defected.
And yet the NSA is still here
The NSA won't go anywhere, but they were driven back some on powers.
Again, Snowden didn't do it correctly. Correctly would have been going to a court with the same security clearances or congress. NSA falls under the Executive Branch. Judicial and Legislative are there to check the Executive. If you spill secrets like he did, there are laws about the handling of information.
Dude wasn't even smart enough to do it annonymously
My immediate question would be then why hasn't the Supreme Court ruled the NSA unconstitutional
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Yeah, I'd never trust the other intelligence agencies lol
I never said Int Agencies.
@Onyxdood Because the SCOTUS only reviews cases presented to them
@Goblin_Slayer_Floki You'd have to go to the DOJ. Which is in bed with the FBI and CIA
Then my obvious question would be why hasn't anyone presented the case yet
You can go simply to a federal court. But the best option would be the Congressional panel on intellegence
@Onyxdood because cases to go to SCOTUS, has to go to a lower court first generally, and be ruled on. And again, it would mean lawyers, ect. TBH, Snowden was a chump and should have gone that way if he wasn't simply looking for attention. Or again, annonymously.
You should read up on the processes before simply dismissing them.
Also, you probably don't realize. If a case is presented with near no evidence, or minor, or inadmissable evidence, it will be passed on by SCOTUS.