At a minimum, we should push for a narrower definition of it, rather than expanding it to include things like expecting blacks to vote democrat

Controversial opinion, Gab being de-platformed might not be a bad thing, necessarily. While to a degree I support Alt-tech, Gab's lax views on censorship have turned it into a bit of a cesspit.

That will continue to produce psychos like Bowers. I had a similiar opinion when the Daily Stormer was de-platformed. At the end of the day, sites like these are disturbing to the masses and off putting to the capable people we are trying to reach out to.

People tend to forget, that outside of IE and a few other sites and figures, the movement has a very large number of dysfunctional people who are a part of it. The less of a voice these people have the better of we'll all be. Corporate censorship maybe a blessing in disguise because so many fugures in the broader movement refuse to censor and control their followers.

@Virgil If Twitter hadn't deplatformed the right the way it has, there would be plenty of leftists pushing back on the right wing crazies. The fact that Gab is a right wing echo chamber is because of deplatforming and censorship.

Or at least they "could" push back against the crazies if they were still on the same platform.

@TMatthews I agree with ultimately wanting to get beyond the paradigm. It'd be nice if that word just glanced off, and was no longer even taken seriously, and things are heading in that direction, but in the meantime, we have to find ways to maneuver within the pocket we have right now.

Hopefully Gab getting censored helps the cause of free speech regulation online. I never used it. Echo chambers are useless. The reason to be on normie social media is to reach people who don't have ban-able opinions (yet)

@Bjorn - MD I do agree that we won't get beyond the word anytime soon, but it is so easy to dismiss it among conservatives by attacking the source as illegitimate. They hate the SPLC almost as much as we do

@TMatthews Gab was no where near an echo chamber dude.

@Virgil I hear where you're coming from in terms of Gab being an optics liability at the moment, but that's just because Twitter has yet to finally jump the shark. If and when that where to happen, and assuming Torba were to manage to keep it up, Gab would instantly fill out with better-adjusted people, who would fairly quickly acclimatize themselves to the freedom of the platform, simply muting the more egregious of the spergs, but the notion that the company should be responsible for curating anything beyond unambiguous, credible threats of violence is something that we should absolutely reject.

@NITRODUBS Tfw Israel is part of Western Civilization now. More like West *Asian* civilization...

@ExternalPepsi Not an echo chamber in the sense that everyone agrees on everything, but in the sense that is is primarily people who were either banned from twitter or supporters of those who were. It's overwhelmingly far right and overwhelmingly those who are more politically involved than average. Not a great place to spread our views

@TMatthews Right, but, as you alluded to earlier, even in the poisoning the well by calling into question the legitimacy of organizations like the SPLC, the underlying moral premise not only remains untouched, but is perhaps implicitly strengthened (i.e. "racism" is a thing, and is bad). It's dodgy...

@TMatthews Alright but It was still a good platform for discussion. People gotta go somewhere.

@Bjorn - MD At least that moves it towards a narrow definition of explicit hatred based on race. Such a definition is not problematic for us. What is problematic is the idea that any white identity politics is racist

@Bjorn - MD I see what you're saying but the problem is the lunatic fringe that is banned first, creates an off putting and to a degree toxic atmosphere that the more moderate and desirable people, who are banned from twitter at a later point, would want to steer clear of.

@TMatthews For sure, especially if we can manage to wedge in and reinforce a dichotamy between legally advocating for government policies that reflect and preserve the various aspects of national identity, and engaging in tactless speech or acts of violence as private citizens.

@Virgil Yeah. To be honest, I'm not sure what should be done in that regard. The platform has to be kept afloat for if and when it's needed, and, like you said, has to be in a state where it's perceived as actually being suited for purpose, but if Torba starts clamping down, it may prompt an exodus of users at a time when the its main source of revenue is subscription fees from Pro users and transaction fees from content creator contributions(?)...

The frame in which racist is a relevant word at all is the problem @TMatthews

Like yes we discriminate based on race qua race, that is "racism" to almost anyone

Not to say the label should be owned, just moved beyond

Feels good, man

Always a solid idea to try and get 'em on the back foot. Make 'em justify their BS.

It may well turn out that many people are most effectively redpilled by themselves, when they actually have to pronounce and contemplate, often for the first time, what they've been indoctrinated into.

To he normie who is too far gone racism can be anything as trivial as realizing that Blacks are good at football or basketball.

Trying to reframe it to “antiwhite racism” is lending too much creedence to the Left.

True, but that's a level of denial I'm not even ready to contemplate right now (about sports)...

Lol

I agree fully, I wouldn't suffix "anti white" with "racism"

@Ald Anti-White polices, animus or bigotry.

@Bjorn - MD Sounds like Gab has pidgeon holed itself into being the fringe twitter. I don't think it will be able to climb out of it, especially after Pittsburgh

Take a note out of Bowden's playbook and "step over it!"

@Virgil Could be. A re-branding may be in order. They already moved away from the 2016 Pepe/Kek aesthetic. It may end up being time for a new domain, name, logo, and color scheme altogether.

@Sam Anderson Exactly. Talking about "anti-white racism" just pushes the classical liberal "let's see everyone as individuals" nonsense. Saying that the so called anti-racists are anti-white and that the word is just a slur against white people is the way to go

It's wignat tier to own the word racist and can only lead to cuckoldry to try to prove "innocence" of racism

@Virgil Nah if Twitter keeps banning people, more people will go. A good portion of the site were Brazilians an I doubt they give a shit about any of that.

step *over* it

Damigo was right. The whole use the same terms from the Left against them is dumb. Its the same tactic people like David Duke have been using for decades to no avail. We need to stop trying to storm the moral highground of the Left and instead construct our own.

@Virgil And it already was the fringe Twitter. If allowing anybody to speak without being slienced is fringe.

@Sam Anderson @Ald Step over slave morality

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