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-WI indefinitely confined, yes the courts determined (correctly) that this status is self-determined. So there is nothing really that can be done, as no crime was committed. But I'm confused what you mean "They could not do it to avoid showing ID", because indefinitely confined just requires a signature.
-With the signature verification, I've seen dozens of videos especially in TCS center of Republicans being held back. Couple this with dozens of affidavits I think there are some legs there for sure. Many of these affidavits were from credible people, lawyers, ex-AG, police officers etc. Ancedotally I can tell you that on election day there were many threads on TheDonald from poll watchers already claiming that they were either denied entry or limited in numbers. Republicans in some cases had to get court orders to be allowed back in. The media tried to muddy the waters a bit here by showing the retards protesting outside or trying to gain entry. But I'm talking about legitimate, authorized poll watchers with credentials being denied access.
-Only allowed in, in small numbers
-Forced to watch from 6 feet away due to covid
-Unable to return to the building after leaving for a break, while Dem watchers were allowed to come and go
-In some cases being completely roped off, 40 feet away from the nearest table.
It was hard seeing it. I also believed it was to create bad optics for Trump. Very ground gamey
I remember the cop that pulled me over in a speed trap in chicago wasn't very friendly lol (speed limit went from 85 to 30 in about 100 ft)
That's been the goal the entire time.
Welcome to politics.
Glad I’m not the only one who see it
Issa rarity
A lot of it is valid, and there is a lot of it which is disingenuous and overblown, if not lies.
CPD is also one of those yikes departments.
They do have a better means of officer accountability though.
Public body cam video of every little incident is available.
Vehicle collisions, etc.
Random firearms discharges.
What in the Chinese propaganda is going on here.
You're right, I'll post some less ambiguous ones. Here:
https://twitter.com/MatthewTyrmand/status/1324786382733254658
I assume those are the poll watchers
I did hear lots of witnesses talking about this though
The issue about WI IC voters is that they were not required to show their ID. They still had to have it and they couldn't use the IC status to get around having to show ID. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/wisconsin-supreme-court-leaves-voters-decide-confined-status/6539363002/
With regard to signature verification, you appear to be conflating separate issues. The signature verification process involved representatives from all parties involved as well as election officials who are often trained in signature comparisons. Election observers are there to ensure that the process if being followed, but they do not have a right to see the actual writing on the envelopes. That would be ridiculous. They would not be trained to know what they are looking at.
This has been one of the worst misleading concerns that people have been trying to claim. Observers do not have to be close to determine that the process is being followed, They can see that representatives from all parties are taking part at each step of the process. They are not there to double check the work of election workers. Period.
woah don't get us banned bro
we need to moderate that type of talk
Yes it’s false. The page has gone down now apparently.
Ok cool. Thanks
There's always next time, I reckon.
It's late where I am in the world so maybe I am extra slow but the link you posted says this:
Under state law, people can vote absentee without showing an ID if they say they are indefinitely confined because of age, disability or infirmity.
So I'm not sure what point exactly we are debating here?
"Election observers are there to ensure that the process if being followed, but they do not have a right to see the actual writing on the envelopes. That would be ridiculous. "
I would like more details on this, because I even have a super liberal friend, who is 100% anti-trump. He's been a poll worker for 20 years, he said that the poll watchers all have the right to challenge a ballot during the process. They don't get to physically handle the ballot but they're allowed to look at it and challenge it, then it goes to adjudication. Is this incorrect then or what?
Unless you are arguing it from a legal sense that they don't have to be close - and that was one of the lawsuits if I remember right. The poll watchers are there to make sure things are done by the book, but if they aren't at a meaningful distance then what's the point of having them there?
You need to be more specific unless you want me to read your mind? Because that article backs up exactly what I am saying.
IC status is not **supposed** to be used to skirt voter ID laws but since it's self-determined, you can basically do whatever you want. Many of those who voted IC **do** have voter IDs on file but notice they said have them, they didn't say sent in with voter ID.
yes goldfish voted 100% and Dane Co clerk Told them all to train them to do so...
Can you just talk like a normal human being? It's late here I don't need riddles
voter id Optional to need not prove anything and here is you Ballot...
sorry i am a cat i like goldfish...
I can go to a baseball game and sit in the stadium and see that the correct team is on the field, I can observe the action of the game and I can verify that the participants in the game are doing what they are supposed to do - including the referees. I don't have to be on the field to ensure that the process of playing the game is taking place according to my potentially "less than informed" standards.
The observers are the equivalent to spectators. Every step of the election process has checks and balances built into it. Observers that tried to insert themselves into the process were not following the rules. At no point, were the bi-partisan election workers removed from the process for things like adjudication or signature verification - or any other part of the process.
So if I understand you correctly you would be fine with all the poll watchers being off to the side, watching via binoculars?