why u tagging everyone? that's annoying

So Amazon just nuked Parler... Google + Apple removed them from their stores. What's the chance of an anti-trust suit here being successful?

Seems fishy as hell the timing on all this

This tech censorship is really out of control... dark times ahead

nah, this is all punitive. Trump already conceded.

Probably NSA was hacking it and fucked up again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/snowden-nsa-syria-internet-outage-civil-war

Never forget the USA lied and said it was Assad doing that lol...

Linux phones won't have single authority app stores like google/apple

wow, the crazy witch is going ahead with impeachment?

Democrats are **really** overplaying their hand here. This is going to really ignite Trump supporters and piss them off. But maybe that's what they want. *tinfoil hat on*.. they want to trigger Trump supporters, they want another attack so they can permanently have the moral high ground and say "see, we told you"

@Maw I can also paste some videos of your beloved Fauci saying covid is no thread or no big deal

if we're rolling back all the way to the start of the year

I've been under lockdown for 9 weeks. I'm over it, lockdowns don't work.

Masks probably make very little difference also

30 or younger? More like 50 or younger

Americans being unhealthy as fuck, with 70% overweight or obese seems to be a driving factor

(are we allowed to swear in here?)

ok just warn me first don't ban me 🤣

anecdotally same experience for me. Know dozens of people who have caught it and either minimal symptoms or bad flu.

I just checked the CDC website.. they've recorded 2738 deaths due to covid for people under 35 years old.

So you know 2 people in that?!

oh I just assumed. But the death rate will be similarly low regardless where in the world

extrapolating that out, less than 1% of deaths are under 35 years old

What do you propose could be done to lower deaths that isn't being done already?

I agree with you, I would vaccinate first by age then by comorbidities

maybe all medical staff above 45 given it since they're putting themselves on the line

there is no solution here. People are dying and people will continue to die. If Biden was in, people would also be dying in droves. There is no magic bullet here to save the world unfortunately

What do you mean exactly by vaccination isn't a long term solution?

they're saying even if it mutates they can roll out a new one in 6-8 weeks

I'm aware of what an mRNA vaccine is lol

my mom is a microbiologist

even if we say the vaccines are only effective for 6 months on average, that would probably be enough to go back to normal and have a rotating cycle of people getting vaccinations.

if we say that 100 million people are at risk, regularly need the vaccine. 180 days would mean only 1.1 million doses need to be produced per day. I think even just moderna is already doing that

nevermind the fact there will be other vaccines arriving soon too

so we're already able to do 37 million people every 180 days. That's pretty good, most factories are ramping up production and there will be more vaccines on the way

Backchanneling with Russia? there is absolutely no proof or substance to that. He talked to the Russian ambassador, in public.

Oh you're talking about the phone call. Yeah that happened. And what's illegal about it?

You realize that this is completely standard right for an incoming administration to talk to other countries?

Exactly, there was nothing illegal or wrong about what he did. The FBI went in there to trap him and they succeeded.

The same way people get wrapped up in murder charges because they can't remember where they were 2 years prior

They literally went in there with a perjury trap plan. The unsealed documents even showed them discussing it.

"get him to lie, so we can get him fired"

yeah McInerny and Lin Wood may be seriously schizophrenia. I don't throw that around in a joking way, I think there is something mentally wrong with them. But you also can't blame Trump for the things they are doing rile/incite Trump supporters.

lots of people come out against Twitter's ban of both Trump and Parler, which are related issues but not the same. So far that includes ACLU, Angela Merkel, Snowden, Alexei Navalny, Glenn Greenwald....

Trump supporters just *know* there is fraud but can't prove it, the same way that Democrats just *know* Trump is a Russian asset, that Trump peed on a hotel bed, that Trump is colluding with Russia. It doesn't matter what you say or what proof you get, some subsection of people will never be satisfied

I do find it funny that Dems even to this day go on about the Russia collusion conspiracy (at this stage that's literally what it is, but there always seems to be some difficulty attaching the word conspiracy to left wing narratives).

if Maw bans someone, I am gonna name the event Mawgate

I think the Dems pulled some shady stuff here bending rules (and trying to bend rules), but there was no dominion vote switching, ballot dumps or any stuff like that. The reasoning for that is simple: If you were going to rig an election - would you do it in the most obvious, easily disproved way?

Well that's what I'm saying, it depends on your definition of voter fraud. I said the Dems bent the rules, which they definitely appeared to do in many centers (not allowing signature verifications etc). Mail-in ballot rejection rates 100x the previous rate from 2018 or 2016

That sort of thing.

None of what they did is illegal, just shady af

Yeah I see your point, but fundamentally I am one of those crazy ones who is against mail in voting and pro voter ID. But if I had to boil it down to a few issues:
-Secretary of states/Election officials overriding the written law (as you say, accommodating people). We saw this in many instances with regards to curing ballots, for example Republican counties would discard a spoiled ballot while Democratic ones would send out notifications to fix it (against the law). They also attempted to extend the mail in deadline which thankfully the supreme court rebuked.
-Wisconsin indefinitely confined status - suddenly a burst of 5x the number of people declaring themselves indefinitely confined. That to me doesn't make any sense because you're either confined or not. It's not a choice like mail in voting, I choose to vote mail in, or in person. You're confined or you're not, we shouldn't see a huge burst like we did.
-Signature verification - well documented that many cities heavily limited or outright forbid the Republican poll watchers from challenging ballots. Completely illegal. We will never know exactly how many signatures or addresses could have been challenged, had they been allowed in.
-Many states had thousands of ballots delivered to PO boxes and business addresses. Matt Braynard for example found thousands in GA and PA. Couple this with out of state voters or people who don't meet residency requirements.

Couple all of this with the usual facts that Republicans won every single house and senate race (except GA), won nearly all the bellweather states and you can see why many Trump supporters latch on to the Lin Wood bullshit. They feel something is amiss and it definitely seems like it on the surface. But no votes were changed, no votes were dumped, they didn't need to do any of that - they just needed to squeak through a few thousand votes in the right places at the right time by bending the rules.

Oh and indefinitely confined status requires **No voter ID**

Nancy Pelosi talks about unity while trying to simultaneously impeach a person who has already conceded, promise to go after his family when he's out of office and call Trump supporters domestic terrorists. Yeah, great unity. If you wanna see pissed off Trump supporters, **this** is how you are gonna get pissed off Trump supporters.

Not to mention what Trump did is not illegal, even if you disagree with it. Dershowitz is totally right on this one.

You guys also need to realize that this "delusion" you speak of has multiple levels.. Would you guys count me as one of the deluded ones? Not everyone is talking about CIA server farms in Frankfurt

Can't remember if this has been posted or not. But am I the only one who has a big issue with this? We already have laws against terrorism and all these crimes that were committed. So what this news means is Joe Biden wishes to expand the definition of terrorism.

I don't think it matters who they chose to begin with, most would cave at this media onslaught

Who is Doc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc
Trump can literally denounce white supremacy 39 times and yet still be accused of supporting it... at this stage it's clear it doesn't matter what Trump says or does, people will take whatever they want to hear from whatever he says.

Is he perhaps supposed to start every single one of his speeches with "I denounce white supremacy" ?

It's pretty simple, he doesn't know what QAnon is. He even said that in the debate. Heck I'm on the internet every day and even I am not always up to date with what they are peddling/saying

I prefer a president who gets the facts and makes up his own mind before just trusting some random 10 second blurb from a host, then acting like a parrot doing what they want him to do.

so avoidant? I just posted a clip of him disavowing 38 times?

Is there a certain number that would make people happy? Does he need to disavow once a day then or what?

He could also be avoiding it because he's sick of answering it and has done it 38 times already?

Why would he voluntarily bring it up?

Not sure what exactly you mean? It's a fact that indefinitely confined requires no voter ID.. they send in the mail with a signature, don't even need to know a drivers licence # or anything.

You mean the state department website? I guess someone messed up by accident. I give chance 0.1% chance of resigning

Are you just going to talk in weird analogies? The PO Box issue and indefinitely confined issues are separate. My point with PO Boxes is that's illegal, it needs to be a residential address as per state law. If you want to know how many, here are the numbers: https://www.independentsentinel.com/thousands-of-people-in-georgia-registered-from-businesses-pos-video/ so to answer your question 1000+ in GA and 1400+ in PA

I think motive and fear matters a lot there. If I'm surrounded by an angry mob and my car windows are getting smashed out.. yes I am running them over. If I run them over without any justified fear then yes murder.

-WI indefinitely confined, yes the courts determined (correctly) that this status is self-determined. So there is nothing really that can be done, as no crime was committed. But I'm confused what you mean "They could not do it to avoid showing ID", because indefinitely confined just requires a signature.
-With the signature verification, I've seen dozens of videos especially in TCS center of Republicans being held back. Couple this with dozens of affidavits I think there are some legs there for sure. Many of these affidavits were from credible people, lawyers, ex-AG, police officers etc. Ancedotally I can tell you that on election day there were many threads on TheDonald from poll watchers already claiming that they were either denied entry or limited in numbers. Republicans in some cases had to get court orders to be allowed back in. The media tried to muddy the waters a bit here by showing the retards protesting outside or trying to gain entry. But I'm talking about legitimate, authorized poll watchers with credentials being denied access.
-Only allowed in, in small numbers
-Forced to watch from 6 feet away due to covid
-Unable to return to the building after leaving for a break, while Dem watchers were allowed to come and go
-In some cases being completely roped off, 40 feet away from the nearest table.

You're right, I'll post some less ambiguous ones. Here:
https://twitter.com/MatthewTyrmand/status/1324786382733254658

It's late where I am in the world so maybe I am extra slow but the link you posted says this:
Under state law, people can vote absentee without showing an ID if they say they are indefinitely confined because of age, disability or infirmity.
So I'm not sure what point exactly we are debating here?

"Election observers are there to ensure that the process if being followed, but they do not have a right to see the actual writing on the envelopes. That would be ridiculous. "
I would like more details on this, because I even have a super liberal friend, who is 100% anti-trump. He's been a poll worker for 20 years, he said that the poll watchers all have the right to challenge a ballot during the process. They don't get to physically handle the ballot but they're allowed to look at it and challenge it, then it goes to adjudication. Is this incorrect then or what?

Unless you are arguing it from a legal sense that they don't have to be close - and that was one of the lawsuits if I remember right. The poll watchers are there to make sure things are done by the book, but if they aren't at a meaningful distance then what's the point of having them there?

You need to be more specific unless you want me to read your mind? Because that article backs up exactly what I am saying.

IC status is not **supposed** to be used to skirt voter ID laws but since it's self-determined, you can basically do whatever you want. Many of those who voted IC **do** have voter IDs on file but notice they said have them, they didn't say sent in with voter ID.

Can you just talk like a normal human being? It's late here I don't need riddles

So if I understand you correctly you would be fine with all the poll watchers being off to the side, watching via binoculars?

there was a lawsuit on this very issue but I can't remember how it turned out

I mean again, I would be talking anecdotally here but to take your stadium analogy further. If that was always the case and suddenly Republicans are complaining, then yeah I see no issue. But from what I am reading and hearing it was standard practice (before corona) to have poll watchers next to each other, one from each party (and sometimes a third independent one) for the signature verification process. Anecdotally, my friend that I mentioned before said this was always standard practice.

So it would be like allowing observers onto the field game after game, then suddenly saying "no, you have to go back into the stands and observe from there"

I agree with you on that point, everyone should go through training and know what they are or aren't looking for. But also many of these affidavits were from seasoned poll workers who said something was amiss this election.

Without covid I don't think we would have had anywhere near as contentious election. But covid gave rise to mail in ballots and also added in some social distancing issues in the counting centers.

I think it's a shame that the media went ahead and put the most crazy one to the spotlight (Melissa) and used that to delegitimize the other dozens of speakers at these events. There were some batshit testimonies but also some really interesting and compelling ones, but those don't get any attention.

Are you talking about pre-canvassing or what do you mean?

I think it depends on county, some counties did earlier and some didn't. But the remaining counties, the ones that were super slow, were all verifying signatures which was the slow part. Otherwise everything would've been counted up and done in 4 hours.