Message from @JonM16
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Plausible deniability. It worked.
Apparently. Lol
@ChairmanOfTheBored the claim that president trump "incited a riot/violence" is totally subjective
All of this is subjective. That seems to be the problem.
Anyone want to jump on voice ?
I can after dinner. Absolutely.
Agreed. Which leads me to ask, who gets to decide when it's subjective.
Everyone.
Cool. Rather use real words instead of text lol
Agreed
Half hour or so
I wanna hear what people think is a good way to address political violence going forward after a year in which we saw too much of it and little consistency in addressing it from our "leadership"
> Do not confuse political activity and political organization. These are not the same things and not what I said. Political groups can file tax exempt parts for the purpose of social welfare. This does not include political activity of lobbying and campaigns. These groups were violating that law.
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> You leave out important details that the FBI looked into it and found zero evidence of enemy hunting. Further investigations revealed the IRS used political key words to find groups violating political tax laws 2004 onward it wasn’t even an Obama policy.
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> The difference was tea party groups breaking the law got their poor feelings hurt and whined about it to the news because they are entitled and feel above the law. Similar to Sean Rush and Trump that feel like they should be able to break the law and play victim when something is done. Pathetic really. Trump apologizing on behalf of Obama and giving them money isn’t evidence Obama did something wrong but rather that Trump did.
@Dedkraken not true. Treasury regulations interpreting this statutory language apply a more relaxed standard, namely, that the organization "is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements". As a result, the IRS traditionally has permitted organizations described in IRC 501(c)(4) to engage in lobbying and political campaign activities if those activities are not the organization's primary activity.
That is what we generally call executive overreach. The legislative branch writes the laws. The potus is supposed to administer them. The law passed by congress says no political activity. A president directed the it to be read as primarily. Either way these groups were violating the laxer definition but were upset they were not allowed to violate the law. The technicality Trump “apologized” for was not that what they were doing was legal out rather that the IRS has no purview over political spending the FEC does that.
> That is what we generally call executive overreach. The legislative branch writes the laws. The potus is supposed to administer them. The law passed by congress says no political activity. A president directed the it to be read as primarily. Either way these groups were violating the laxer definition but were upset they were not allowed to violate the law. The technicality Trump “apologized” for was not that what they were doing was legal out rather that the IRS has no purview over political spending the FEC does that.
@Dedkraken there is no indication that they tried to violate the law. Other than you believe that to be the case, based on their political views, and the fact that the IRS didn't want to grant their request.
What happened was the IRS arbitrarily decided that they were breaking the law after they got caught acting unfairly. There is no indication that violations of the law were a part of their metric for determining to disproportionally Target groups with the name Tea Party included.
There is no indication that Sean Hannity, Rush, or Trump has ever violated the law. Except of course they happen to be conservative and therefore obviously guilty of something.
What do you mean “based on their political views”? All political views across the spectrum were included if they were breaking the law. The “ picking on right wing” narrative was proven delusional they were just the only ones whining about it publicly because they are entitled and the left leaning and other political groups also knew they were breaking the law. Catching tax cheats is not arbitrary. You worshipping conservatives doesn’t mean they don’t cheat on their taxes. Trump especially got caught red handed on tax fraud which he built his whole company on. He is pretty screwed and should be.
> What do you mean “based on their political views”? All political views across the spectrum were included if they were breaking the law. The “ picking on right wing” narrative was proven delusional they were just the only ones whining about it publicly because they are entitled and the left leaning and other political groups also knew they were breaking the law. Catching tax cheats is not arbitrary. You worshipping conservatives doesn’t mean they don’t cheat on their taxes. Trump especially got caught red handed on tax fraud which he built his whole company on. He is pretty screwed and should be.
@Dedkraken the IRS admitted to disproportionally targeting right wing groups in the settlement.
In this case they arbitrarily, decided that some of the group were not acting appropriately. Again, because they got caught, they needed to come up with an excuse, to do that they unfairly applied the whole social welfare rules.
I certainly wouldn't want any group to be targeted left or right. I'm not aware of any leftists being perpetually audited... Are you? If so that shouldn't be allowed either.
Disproportionately targeting illegal behavior on the right isn’t a thing. They hit all political groups. More right wing groups broke the law. More got caught breaking the law. That’s how it should work. Political groups participating in activities they aren’t allow to should absolutely be held accountable.
Any time the left breathes funny the right says get em cops they broke the law wooo law and order. Any time the right breaks the law when they hold office they look the other way. When the left holds office it’s oh poor me the entitled criminal victim. I say hold both parties accountable when they break the law. I never heard a peep from tea party goers when occupy Wall Street was hit by the IRS. It’s what 6 years later you still pretend it was just the right. Where’s the intellectual honesty. I think it was good the IRS went after all political groups pretending not to be political. The FEC wasn’t going to stop them.
I don’t know if this is true yet, can’t trust the media. But someone said Italy (Vatican) and Pakistan and India had blackouts today. And it’s headed our way! God is moving!!!
It’s true they had blackouts.
I think that’s the owner of Parler
`There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch.`
Oof
Who said
Read the link
Wait, Amazon allows Parler to exist on the internet? Wtf
Need to me
News*
Yes, they own server farms.
WOW
Amazon owns too many things...
I remember when conservatives were called conspiracy theorists and crazy for thinking that mainstream media companies weren’t out to get them
Social media*
... You realize that like, a very small group of companies control the internet, it's a supply chain thing.
Alphabet (Google), Microsoft, Amazon, FB, Twitter own or have their claws on pretty much the entire internet. They are the gatekeepers to most content.
And if something threatens their monopoly they work to ban it. We need to use the Sherman Anti-Trust Act
I’m still using the app