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The IRS went after political nonprofits violating tax law. Neither Obama nor right wing had much to do with it
> The IRS went after political nonprofits violating tax law. Neither Obama nor right wing had much to do with it
@Dedkraken I'm sure that was completely legit just like the 2020 election đ. đ
Those groups cannot legally participate in political activity. They were doing so. These are things the IRS should be enforcing. Never an iota of evidence was presented that Obama somehow targeted the right. The IRS canât let tax cheats get away just because they arenât from the presidents party. Laws must still be upheld for both parties
> Those groups cannot legally participate in political activity. They were doing so. These are things the IRS should be enforcing. Never an iota of evidence was presented that Obama somehow targeted the right. The IRS canât let tax cheats get away just because they arenât from the presidents party. Laws must still be upheld for both parties
@Dedkraken actually they can. Political organizations can file for tax exempt status, and they do this all the time.
So this litigation was ongoing during the Obama administration and into the Trump administration.
In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than four hundred conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service for an undisclosed amount described by plaintiffs' counsel as "very substantial." The Trump Administration also agreed to settle a second lawsuit brought by forty-one conservative organizations with an apology and an admission from the IRS that subjecting them to "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" was wrongful.
There are also many other ways that the IRS can be used to Target individuals. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Trump and other conservative individuals have faced perpetual, drawn out audits.
I don't really use parler but thanks
Do not confuse political activity and political organization. These are not the same things and not what I said. Political groups can file tax exempt parts for the purpose of social welfare. This does not include political activity of lobbying and campaigns. These groups were violating that law.
You leave out important details that the FBI looked into it and found zero evidence of enemy hunting. Further investigations revealed the IRS used political key words to find groups violating political tax laws 2004 onward it wasnât even an Obama policy.
The difference was tea party groups breaking the law got their poor feelings hurt and whined about it to the news because they are entitled and feel above the law. Similar to Sean Rush and Trump that feel like they should be able to break the law and play victim when something is done. Pathetic really. Trump apologizing on behalf of Obama and giving them money isnât evidence Obama did something wrong but rather that Trump did.
Thank you for sharing... I have to be honest, that seems a little weak to call inciting a riot
Spelling it out directly would be rather foolish. They told a bunch of crazed hyper partisan angry people for weeks Pence had the ability to just claim Trump won and if he didnât he was betraying the country. Itâs not at all surprising they considered that tweet a call to action
Maybe, but let's just say this, it wouldn't hold up in court lol
That's the whole idea of dog whistles.
Plausible deniability. It worked.
Apparently. Lol
@ChairmanOfTheBored the claim that president trump "incited a riot/violence" is totally subjective
All of this is subjective. That seems to be the problem.
Anyone want to jump on voice ?
I can after dinner. Absolutely.
Agreed. Which leads me to ask, who gets to decide when it's subjective.
Everyone.
Cool. Rather use real words instead of text lol
Half hour or so
I wanna hear what people think is a good way to address political violence going forward after a year in which we saw too much of it and little consistency in addressing it from our "leadership"
> Do not confuse political activity and political organization. These are not the same things and not what I said. Political groups can file tax exempt parts for the purpose of social welfare. This does not include political activity of lobbying and campaigns. These groups were violating that law.
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> You leave out important details that the FBI looked into it and found zero evidence of enemy hunting. Further investigations revealed the IRS used political key words to find groups violating political tax laws 2004 onward it wasnât even an Obama policy.
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> The difference was tea party groups breaking the law got their poor feelings hurt and whined about it to the news because they are entitled and feel above the law. Similar to Sean Rush and Trump that feel like they should be able to break the law and play victim when something is done. Pathetic really. Trump apologizing on behalf of Obama and giving them money isnât evidence Obama did something wrong but rather that Trump did.
@Dedkraken not true. Treasury regulations interpreting this statutory language apply a more relaxed standard, namely, that the organization "is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements". As a result, the IRS traditionally has permitted organizations described in IRC 501(c)(4) to engage in lobbying and political campaign activities if those activities are not the organization's primary activity.
That is what we generally call executive overreach. The legislative branch writes the laws. The potus is supposed to administer them. The law passed by congress says no political activity. A president directed the it to be read as primarily. Either way these groups were violating the laxer definition but were upset they were not allowed to violate the law. The technicality Trump âapologizedâ for was not that what they were doing was legal out rather that the IRS has no purview over political spending the FEC does that.
> That is what we generally call executive overreach. The legislative branch writes the laws. The potus is supposed to administer them. The law passed by congress says no political activity. A president directed the it to be read as primarily. Either way these groups were violating the laxer definition but were upset they were not allowed to violate the law. The technicality Trump âapologizedâ for was not that what they were doing was legal out rather that the IRS has no purview over political spending the FEC does that.
@Dedkraken there is no indication that they tried to violate the law. Other than you believe that to be the case, based on their political views, and the fact that the IRS didn't want to grant their request.
What happened was the IRS arbitrarily decided that they were breaking the law after they got caught acting unfairly. There is no indication that violations of the law were a part of their metric for determining to disproportionally Target groups with the name Tea Party included.
There is no indication that Sean Hannity, Rush, or Trump has ever violated the law. Except of course they happen to be conservative and therefore obviously guilty of something.
What do you mean âbased on their political viewsâ? All political views across the spectrum were included if they were breaking the law. The â picking on right wingâ narrative was proven delusional they were just the only ones whining about it publicly because they are entitled and the left leaning and other political groups also knew they were breaking the law. Catching tax cheats is not arbitrary. You worshipping conservatives doesnât mean they donât cheat on their taxes. Trump especially got caught red handed on tax fraud which he built his whole company on. He is pretty screwed and should be.
> What do you mean âbased on their political viewsâ? All political views across the spectrum were included if they were breaking the law. The â picking on right wingâ narrative was proven delusional they were just the only ones whining about it publicly because they are entitled and the left leaning and other political groups also knew they were breaking the law. Catching tax cheats is not arbitrary. You worshipping conservatives doesnât mean they donât cheat on their taxes. Trump especially got caught red handed on tax fraud which he built his whole company on. He is pretty screwed and should be.
@Dedkraken the IRS admitted to disproportionally targeting right wing groups in the settlement.
In this case they arbitrarily, decided that some of the group were not acting appropriately. Again, because they got caught, they needed to come up with an excuse, to do that they unfairly applied the whole social welfare rules.
I certainly wouldn't want any group to be targeted left or right. I'm not aware of any leftists being perpetually audited... Are you? If so that shouldn't be allowed either.
Disproportionately targeting illegal behavior on the right isnât a thing. They hit all political groups. More right wing groups broke the law. More got caught breaking the law. Thatâs how it should work. Political groups participating in activities they arenât allow to should absolutely be held accountable.
Any time the left breathes funny the right says get em cops they broke the law wooo law and order. Any time the right breaks the law when they hold office they look the other way. When the left holds office itâs oh poor me the entitled criminal victim. I say hold both parties accountable when they break the law. I never heard a peep from tea party goers when occupy Wall Street was hit by the IRS. Itâs what 6 years later you still pretend it was just the right. Whereâs the intellectual honesty. I think it was good the IRS went after all political groups pretending not to be political. The FEC wasnât going to stop them.
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I donât know if this is true yet, canât trust the media. But someone said Italy (Vatican) and Pakistan and India had blackouts today. And itâs headed our way! God is moving!!!
Itâs true they had blackouts.
I think thatâs the owner of Parler
`There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch.`
Oof
Who said
Read the link
Wait, Amazon allows Parler to exist on the internet? Wtf
Need to me