Mike Lee said that dueling electors where not made in this election. What does he mean? I thought they were. Does it have to be officially sent? https://www.facebook.com/senatormikelee/videos/216810636790483

I thought that happened as well. I'm trying to decide if what Mike Lee said is accurate, or if he just doesn't know what he's talking about.

I see, so according to Mike, the dueling electors would need to be from the Governors of the state, not just from whoever.

That is frustrating.

If they can make an over-generalized statement about all Trump supporters, you can be sure they will.

We need to think of some local and state laws in the coming months to help protect us from retribution from the federal government. I'd like to know if anyone had any ideas, to help protect against the IRS being used as a political weapon.

> Oh yeah that IRS always political 😂
@Dedkraken it can and has been used that way in the past.

> Pretty rare until Nixon thus the safeguards put in place to stop it
@Dedkraken whatever safeguards put in place, are welcome, but not sufficient. And it's clear we can rely or fully trust the federal government. I was thinking about Obama's IRS going after right leaning non profits.

> The IRS went after political nonprofits violating tax law. Neither Obama nor right wing had much to do with it
@Dedkraken I'm sure that was completely legit just like the 2020 election 🙄. 😂

> Those groups cannot legally participate in political activity. They were doing so. These are things the IRS should be enforcing. Never an iota of evidence was presented that Obama somehow targeted the right. The IRS can’t let tax cheats get away just because they aren’t from the presidents party. Laws must still be upheld for both parties
@Dedkraken actually they can. Political organizations can file for tax exempt status, and they do this all the time.

So this litigation was ongoing during the Obama administration and into the Trump administration.

In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than four hundred conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service for an undisclosed amount described by plaintiffs' counsel as "very substantial." The Trump Administration also agreed to settle a second lawsuit brought by forty-one conservative organizations with an apology and an admission from the IRS that subjecting them to "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" was wrongful.

There are also many other ways that the IRS can be used to Target individuals. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Trump and other conservative individuals have faced perpetual, drawn out audits.

> Do not confuse political activity and political organization. These are not the same things and not what I said. Political groups can file tax exempt parts for the purpose of social welfare. This does not include political activity of lobbying and campaigns. These groups were violating that law.
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> You leave out important details that the FBI looked into it and found zero evidence of enemy hunting. Further investigations revealed the IRS used political key words to find groups violating political tax laws 2004 onward it wasn’t even an Obama policy.
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> The difference was tea party groups breaking the law got their poor feelings hurt and whined about it to the news because they are entitled and feel above the law. Similar to Sean Rush and Trump that feel like they should be able to break the law and play victim when something is done. Pathetic really. Trump apologizing on behalf of Obama and giving them money isn’t evidence Obama did something wrong but rather that Trump did.
@Dedkraken not true. Treasury regulations interpreting this statutory language apply a more relaxed standard, namely, that the organization "is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements". As a result, the IRS traditionally has permitted organizations described in IRC 501(c)(4) to engage in lobbying and political campaign activities if those activities are not the organization's primary activity.

> That is what we generally call executive overreach. The legislative branch writes the laws. The potus is supposed to administer them. The law passed by congress says no political activity. A president directed the it to be read as primarily. Either way these groups were violating the laxer definition but were upset they were not allowed to violate the law. The technicality Trump “apologized” for was not that what they were doing was legal out rather that the IRS has no purview over political spending the FEC does that.
@Dedkraken there is no indication that they tried to violate the law. Other than you believe that to be the case, based on their political views, and the fact that the IRS didn't want to grant their request.

What happened was the IRS arbitrarily decided that they were breaking the law after they got caught acting unfairly. There is no indication that violations of the law were a part of their metric for determining to disproportionally Target groups with the name Tea Party included.

There is no indication that Sean Hannity, Rush, or Trump has ever violated the law. Except of course they happen to be conservative and therefore obviously guilty of something.

> What do you mean “based on their political views”? All political views across the spectrum were included if they were breaking the law. The “ picking on right wing” narrative was proven delusional they were just the only ones whining about it publicly because they are entitled and the left leaning and other political groups also knew they were breaking the law. Catching tax cheats is not arbitrary. You worshipping conservatives doesn’t mean they don’t cheat on their taxes. Trump especially got caught red handed on tax fraud which he built his whole company on. He is pretty screwed and should be.
@Dedkraken the IRS admitted to disproportionally targeting right wing groups in the settlement.

In this case they arbitrarily, decided that some of the group were not acting appropriately. Again, because they got caught, they needed to come up with an excuse, to do that they unfairly applied the whole social welfare rules.

I certainly wouldn't want any group to be targeted left or right. I'm not aware of any leftists being perpetually audited... Are you? If so that shouldn't be allowed either.