Message from @Mnr. Vlakvark

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2020-11-06 10:20:03 UTC  

people see God through Christ, thus

2020-11-06 10:20:10 UTC  

which is cohesive with Christology

2020-11-06 10:20:24 UTC  

Older forms of Christianity (eastern) hold that if you see God, you die

2020-11-06 10:20:48 UTC  

essentially, this is because God is a pure unyielding source of energy which rips apart our entire psyche upon interaction

2020-11-06 10:20:59 UTC  

In that verse in Genesis, God reveals himself to Abraham as a man

2020-11-06 10:21:08 UTC  

much like God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden

2020-11-06 10:21:18 UTC  

this is because it was always Christ

2020-11-06 10:21:44 UTC  

either way, if you go into the Lovecraftian approaches, an infinite all powerful being logically *should* rip apart your sanity and the very matter you exist of if you should approach it

2020-11-06 10:21:53 UTC  

unless such a being retracts itself

2020-11-06 10:21:56 UTC  

(Christ)

2020-11-06 10:22:21 UTC  

-Christ is essentially a retraction of the Father so that the Father interacts with humanity indirectly but presently

2020-11-06 10:23:31 UTC  

I know I know, I just love referencing him when speaking about incomprehensibly alien beings

2020-11-06 10:23:41 UTC  

alien in the sense of strange to our existence

2020-11-06 10:24:00 UTC  

Also on this verse

2020-11-06 10:24:01 UTC  

*β€œβ€¦The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” β€” Judges 1:19*

2020-11-06 10:24:19 UTC  

Isn't it saying that *judah* couldn't drive out the chariot soldiers?

2020-11-06 10:24:23 UTC  

not God?

2020-11-06 10:24:57 UTC  

Because I think the author of the book would be pretty strange if he was trying to make religious propaganda and his own propaganda called his god weak

2020-11-06 10:25:38 UTC  

and lastly *circumcision*

2020-11-06 10:25:54 UTC  

always a fun way to start your friday morning

2020-11-06 10:26:03 UTC  

discussing esoteric biblican circumcision habits πŸ˜‚

2020-11-06 10:26:16 UTC  

Well this actually is an argument that has to be raised for a LOT of points in the bible from new testament to old

2020-11-06 10:26:31 UTC  

you see when the jews went off into Israel they had a set of rules to follow until the Messiah came

2020-11-06 10:26:59 UTC  

those rules can be called the laws of Leviticus or the law of Moses

2020-11-06 10:27:18 UTC  

Christ had this to say about these:

2020-11-06 10:27:33 UTC  

***β€œDo not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.***

2020-11-06 10:27:44 UTC  

Christ actually spoke against what was considered to be traditional at the time

2020-11-06 10:27:58 UTC  

for example he told people not to excecute women for shagging men outside of their marriage

2020-11-06 10:28:15 UTC  

-which is punishable by death in the old testament

2020-11-06 10:28:31 UTC  

This brings me back to my gripe with context

2020-11-06 10:28:43 UTC  

you can't say that Christians should all kill gays because the bible says so πŸ™‚

2020-11-06 10:29:02 UTC  

that was a law for a time that was specifically implemented to ensure the survival of the early Church (Israel and Judah)

2020-11-06 10:29:42 UTC  

so in terms of circumcision, these were for jews who upheld a specific string of laws and the circumcision was a brandmark that bore witness to these

2020-11-06 10:29:57 UTC  

after the laws were fulfilled, the circumcision was no longer needed

2020-11-06 10:30:17 UTC  

The New Testament goes through a good deal of effort trying to explain this in the later books which people like to forget because they aren't as exciting

2020-11-06 10:31:08 UTC  

@ThyDoctor That's me for now

2020-11-06 10:31:41 UTC  

the long and the short of this is ultimately that there is a explanation for everything

2020-11-06 10:32:11 UTC  

the reasons I am, for example, not a Muslim is because I find that there are *moral* issues in Islam

2020-11-06 10:32:33 UTC  

religion isn't science, it's a different field

2020-11-06 10:32:48 UTC  

That doesn't mean it's useless or incoherent, but it has its own place and context

2020-11-06 10:33:12 UTC  

C.S. Lewis had a good way of putting it