Message from @Mnr. Vlakvark

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2020-11-06 10:24:23 UTC  

not God?

2020-11-06 10:24:57 UTC  

Because I think the author of the book would be pretty strange if he was trying to make religious propaganda and his own propaganda called his god weak

2020-11-06 10:25:38 UTC  

and lastly *circumcision*

2020-11-06 10:25:54 UTC  

always a fun way to start your friday morning

2020-11-06 10:26:03 UTC  

discussing esoteric biblican circumcision habits 😂

2020-11-06 10:26:16 UTC  

Well this actually is an argument that has to be raised for a LOT of points in the bible from new testament to old

2020-11-06 10:26:31 UTC  

you see when the jews went off into Israel they had a set of rules to follow until the Messiah came

2020-11-06 10:26:59 UTC  

those rules can be called the laws of Leviticus or the law of Moses

2020-11-06 10:27:18 UTC  

Christ had this to say about these:

2020-11-06 10:27:33 UTC  

***“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.***

2020-11-06 10:27:44 UTC  

Christ actually spoke against what was considered to be traditional at the time

2020-11-06 10:27:58 UTC  

for example he told people not to excecute women for shagging men outside of their marriage

2020-11-06 10:28:15 UTC  

-which is punishable by death in the old testament

2020-11-06 10:28:31 UTC  

This brings me back to my gripe with context

2020-11-06 10:28:43 UTC  

you can't say that Christians should all kill gays because the bible says so 🙂

2020-11-06 10:29:02 UTC  

that was a law for a time that was specifically implemented to ensure the survival of the early Church (Israel and Judah)

2020-11-06 10:29:42 UTC  

so in terms of circumcision, these were for jews who upheld a specific string of laws and the circumcision was a brandmark that bore witness to these

2020-11-06 10:29:57 UTC  

after the laws were fulfilled, the circumcision was no longer needed

2020-11-06 10:30:17 UTC  

The New Testament goes through a good deal of effort trying to explain this in the later books which people like to forget because they aren't as exciting

2020-11-06 10:31:08 UTC  

@ThyDoctor That's me for now

2020-11-06 10:31:41 UTC  

the long and the short of this is ultimately that there is a explanation for everything

2020-11-06 10:32:11 UTC  

the reasons I am, for example, not a Muslim is because I find that there are *moral* issues in Islam

2020-11-06 10:32:33 UTC  

religion isn't science, it's a different field

2020-11-06 10:32:48 UTC  

That doesn't mean it's useless or incoherent, but it has its own place and context

2020-11-06 10:33:12 UTC  

C.S. Lewis had a good way of putting it

2020-11-06 10:33:27 UTC  

*“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.”*

2020-11-06 10:36:34 UTC  

It's a pleasure

2020-11-06 10:36:49 UTC  

The Christianity that consumerist capitalism has produced isn't the type that built modernity

2020-11-06 10:37:02 UTC  

there's a reason that these ideas were once venerated, while today they are a joke

2020-11-06 10:38:54 UTC  

But either way I have a none-marxist approach to socialism so that's another hot topic

2020-11-06 10:39:19 UTC  

You don't have to read Das Kapital to realise that exploitation is negative

2020-11-06 10:39:42 UTC  

to some extent I'd even say that socialism is *obvious* to an objective human being

2020-11-06 10:39:51 UTC  

which is why I have so many issues with Marx and Lenin attacking religion

2020-11-06 10:40:14 UTC  

the sort of person that socialism appeals to, the working class, is the most religious caste of society

2020-11-06 10:41:44 UTC  

Either way

2020-11-06 10:41:50 UTC  

to end off before I return to my work

2020-11-06 10:42:15 UTC  

1 Timothy 6:10

2020-11-06 10:42:27 UTC  

*For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.*

2020-11-06 10:44:21 UTC  

Someone invited me to talk about religion

2020-11-06 10:44:41 UTC  

Either way, add me as a friend if you want

2020-11-06 10:44:49 UTC  

I'm leaving this server before it gets banned along with my account