Message from @Mnr. Vlakvark

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2020-11-06 10:13:46 UTC  

I'm more on your side than you think btw

2020-11-06 10:14:02 UTC  

I have very serious gripes with how "christians" live according to scripture in the west

2020-11-06 10:14:12 UTC  

I nearly assaulted a pastor last sunday actually

2020-11-06 10:14:52 UTC  

2 Peter 3:10 seems to be speaking of when the world ends and such, so I won't get into that because of my previous point

2020-11-06 10:15:08 UTC  

we have entire chapters in the bible describing how the world will transition to a next state of existence

2020-11-06 10:15:17 UTC  

so Solomon was bluntly wrong

2020-11-06 10:15:34 UTC  

The reason I bring up Muslims and the Qu'uran is because they hold the Qu'uran as the direct word of their God

2020-11-06 10:15:47 UTC  

we Christians actually compiled our bible for shits and giggles to be an aid in the litturgy

2020-11-06 10:15:59 UTC  

but with modernism the average guy turned it into a Quuran and a self study book

2020-11-06 10:16:27 UTC  

I still advocate that people study scripture, some stuff can even be very enlightening to atheist especially the philosophical stuff, but within the right context

2020-11-06 10:16:40 UTC  

Either way, the point of no man having seen God

2020-11-06 10:16:50 UTC  

***2.“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
3.“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26***

2020-11-06 10:17:20 UTC  

This John 18 verse actually reads like this when you write it out:

2020-11-06 10:18:00 UTC  

*No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.*

2020-11-06 10:18:15 UTC  

This is actually where we start to talk about the trinity and such

2020-11-06 10:19:13 UTC  

western*

2020-11-06 10:19:15 UTC  

I'm eastern

2020-11-06 10:19:34 UTC  

another translations reads it *No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.*

2020-11-06 10:19:37 UTC  

np np

2020-11-06 10:19:58 UTC  

The verse when you write out the entire thing says Christ essentially showed God to people

2020-11-06 10:20:03 UTC  

people see God through Christ, thus

2020-11-06 10:20:10 UTC  

which is cohesive with Christology

2020-11-06 10:20:24 UTC  

Older forms of Christianity (eastern) hold that if you see God, you die

2020-11-06 10:20:48 UTC  

essentially, this is because God is a pure unyielding source of energy which rips apart our entire psyche upon interaction

2020-11-06 10:20:59 UTC  

In that verse in Genesis, God reveals himself to Abraham as a man

2020-11-06 10:21:08 UTC  

much like God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden

2020-11-06 10:21:18 UTC  

this is because it was always Christ

2020-11-06 10:21:44 UTC  

either way, if you go into the Lovecraftian approaches, an infinite all powerful being logically *should* rip apart your sanity and the very matter you exist of if you should approach it

2020-11-06 10:21:53 UTC  

unless such a being retracts itself

2020-11-06 10:21:56 UTC  

(Christ)

2020-11-06 10:22:21 UTC  

-Christ is essentially a retraction of the Father so that the Father interacts with humanity indirectly but presently

2020-11-06 10:23:31 UTC  

I know I know, I just love referencing him when speaking about incomprehensibly alien beings

2020-11-06 10:23:41 UTC  

alien in the sense of strange to our existence

2020-11-06 10:24:00 UTC  

Also on this verse

2020-11-06 10:24:01 UTC  

*“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19*

2020-11-06 10:24:19 UTC  

Isn't it saying that *judah* couldn't drive out the chariot soldiers?

2020-11-06 10:24:23 UTC  

not God?

2020-11-06 10:24:57 UTC  

Because I think the author of the book would be pretty strange if he was trying to make religious propaganda and his own propaganda called his god weak

2020-11-06 10:25:38 UTC  

and lastly *circumcision*

2020-11-06 10:25:54 UTC  

always a fun way to start your friday morning

2020-11-06 10:26:03 UTC  

discussing esoteric biblican circumcision habits 😂