> Well in the bible, Saints is anyone who has a living relationship with God through his mercy and grace expressed in the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. @MKSmash
@DeButcher a saint has to be dead. Where did you find/learn this?

Where in the bible does it say the saint has to be dead? @MKSmash

It doesn't
Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time

So my bishop closed down all the churches in the diocese because there has been a “spike” in COVID cases. Even though it is only in the big city of our diocese and not in the rest of the counties in our diocese

> It doesn't
> Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
@MKSmash
Who established it?

What do you mean?
Who established the rules for sainthood?

Yeah

Dont understand why the Catholic add things to Christianity.

Catholicism didn't add to Christianity, christianity added to Catholicism 😂

I don't know who did the rules, I just know official canonizations began in the 10th century

I meant add things in the religion

What did they add

> It doesn't
> Not much is said about saints in the bible, and the rules for establishing saints were developed over time
@MKSmash

Oh now I see what you mean
Idk
I guess to honor holy people that have helped the church

What's the problem with adding a system to honor then

What's the problem with adding a system to honor then

Nothing wrong to respecting saints. But yall tend to glorify these people

After all they are just humans

Sure
But humans are pretty important things

Eh no, only God is important

Well
We're created in the image and likeness of God
We are his most important creation, made for glorifying him

And earlier you talked about praying to saints. Just a heads they cant do anything to help your cause.

Read about Rich man and Lazarus

They can do just as much as my best friend or brother can

We can just appeal to God

Only people that living atm

Nope, they still can even though they are physically dead

Proof from the bible?

Like I said, very little about Saints in the Bible
This is something Tradition has to handle

Tradition? Your statement is powerful. Saying tradition is not a good source. If its not in the bible then dont include it.

Bible is important than tradition

Sure, but we need tradition to interpret the Bible. This is the most stark difference between Protestant and Catholic: we give more credence to tradition.

It also doesn't say abortion is wrong in the Bible, but we know that to still be wrong

What the difference between Catholic and Jews during Jesus time then?

Both hold major importance to tradition

Jesus came to destroy Jewish tradition and insteas told to focus on the relationship with God.

So Bible is more important than tradition

> What the difference between Catholic and Jews during Jesus time then?
@DeButcher Not much
The Apostles still considered themselves Jews, and just followed Jesus' teaching

Wait so
You're saying Bible is more important because Jesus came to destroy Jewish culture, and because Jewish culture emphasized tradition, tradition is less important?

Just trying to understand where you're coming from

Yes they focus on tradition and laws and the pharisee made the life of Jews bad.